10 hours ago, Mana said:

FFS what is all these Spuds fans wanting to invest in us? Why can't they invest in their own club instead?

Who is the Tottenham fan here?

On 18/04/2022 at 09:53, terraloon said:

Or looking at it another way have made £1.5 billion profit on RAs investment 

Which is all lovely, but the owner's profit could have been £3 billion had the executives done a better job of running the business. They were merely fortunate that the owner had deep pockets to cover the losses in day to day operations.

Does that mean they're going to get rid of Cech if a new Sporting director is coming in? Awfully telling for people that said they are here for continuity rather than rebuilding the structure of the club. 

56 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Which is all lovely, but the owner's profit could have been £3 billion had the executives done a better job of running the business. They were merely fortunate that the owner had deep pockets to cover the losses in day to day operations.

You need to get far deeper into the accounts to come to such a conclusion in truth most of the accounting losses came about because of investment in fixed assets and those fixed assets were depreciated  or amortised if you like. The £1.5 billion includes significant other factors but on a year to year basis I suspect the growth works out way above 5% and even then you need to look at how losses, group losses, and so on actually impacted on any corporation tax liability to actually determine the true profit

Of course RA was the lender of first resort but ironically that has been very much the case in that owners have paid big to buy historical shares or even increasing equity and even then they still have had to lend money. I read the other day that th3 owners at Arsenal have spent out in excess of £1.5 billion in terms of share purchase, stadium loans supporting cash flow and of course franking last summers transfer and and losses

Could Chelsea have borrowed £1.5 billion ? Possibly not but it’s just as possible that there could have been money raised to support that level of spend

You simply cant ignore the old saying speculate to accumulate and I very much doubt that had their not been significant sums paid out in transfers the nett result would have been at best broadly neutral in terms of a return of investment 

Of course vast sums have been paid out in failed transfers and of course managerial pay offs but again to argue those sums could have been avoided is only based on an opinion as opposed to fact

When RA took over Chelsea we were in dire financial straights yet 19 years on it appears the club is going to be sold for a world record price. 
 

 

Edited April 19, 20224 yr by terraloon

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Which is all lovely, but the owner's profit could have been £3 billion had the executives done a better job of running the business. They were merely fortunate that the owner had deep pockets to cover the losses in day to day operations.

We wouldn't of won all the trophies we have which in turn boosted us up into madlad status! OK we could of spent way less and concentrated on the academy but we would of been no where near on the pitch.

Whatever the ifs and buts, Roman and his team did turn the club into an absolute powerhouse, Team of the decade and now selling up for THREE BILLION!

 

 

Edited April 19, 20224 yr by Kantesmini

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Which is all lovely, but the owner's profit could have been £3 billion had the executives done a better job of running the business. They were merely fortunate that the owner had deep pockets to cover the losses in day to day operations.

So you really think these executives did all this on their own, all these decisions were made independant of the famously controlling Billionaire owner?

8 minutes ago, dkw said:

So you really think these executives did all this on their own, all these decisions were made independant of the famously controlling Billionaire owner?

Of course we can never prove this, but its bleeding obvious he was pulling the strings

On 18/04/2022 at 07:27, nonotnowjim said:

Cannot lump in Alonso as a waste of money! He has contributed huge amounts to the club and has helped us win a number of trophies. Although he has a lot of flaws, cannot say he hasn't been a decent purchase, and certainly not the waste of money like some of the others you mentioned 

I hate that some fans see Alonso this way and lump him in with other failed signings like Bakayoko. He's contributed a lot of positives to our squad since he joined. We all know he has his flaws, a lot of our players do, but his flaws aren't so bad that he deserves to be labelled as a poor signing. Once the day comes and he leaves the club, I will have many good memories of Alonso's time with us.

5 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Who is the Tottenham fan here?

So have we found a new owner yet???

17 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

So have we found a new owner yet???

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

I hate that some fans see Alonso this way and lump him in with other failed signings like Bakayoko. He's contributed a lot of positives to our squad since he joined. We all know he has his flaws, a lot of our players do, but his flaws aren't so bad that he deserves to be labelled as a poor signing. Once the day comes and he leaves the club, I will have many good memories of Alonso's time with us.

Perhaps I was wrong in including him in the list, it's not that he has been a bad signing and i agree he has contributed significantly to our squad, but when he is bad he is a liability, when he is good he can be world class. But i think we all know at our level we expect more from him... he has the tools but doesn't utilise them enough imo

I see Chelsea have planned a July tour in  the USA . Obviously we wouldn't be going there for nothing, and at the very least expenses would have to be paid for.

 

I thought we wernt allowed to recieve any finances

So who would agree to that I wonder.

But tomorrow night the ground will have 7000 empty seats  with a club shop shut and no programmes on sale.

Absolutely crazy 

8 minutes ago, the real shed end said:

I see Chelsea have planned a July tour in  the USA . Obviously we wouldn't be going there for nothing, and at the very least expenses would have to be paid for.

 

I thought we wernt allowed to recieve any finances

So who would agree to that I wonder.

But tomorrow night the ground will have 7000 empty seats  with a club shop shut and no programmes on sale.

Absolutely crazy 

I reckon the 3 bidders have been told privately who is top of the pile and they are waiting officially from the PL and the gov before moving forward more.

16 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

So have we found a new owner yet???

I came here to ask that same question.

17 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I will have many good memories of Alonso's time with us.

Especially all those goals against Spurs 😁

18 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I hate that some fans see Alonso this way and lump him in with other failed signings like Bakayoko. He's contributed a lot of positives to our squad since he joined. We all know he has his flaws, a lot of our players do, but his flaws aren't so bad that he deserves to be labelled as a poor signing. Once the day comes and he leaves the club, I will have many good memories of Alonso's time with us.

Alonso isn't as bad as Bakayoko, but he is still bad. His debut season is his best season with us. At least he had one very good season under his belt compared to Lukaku, Baka, Drinkwater and co.

I lump Alonso with players like Willian. Bad players, but when in form for a short while they become fantastic. I mean, that's why they lasted longer in the first squad. But they are simply not good enough if we have ambitions to challenge for league titles and consistently go far in the CL.

Alonso has given us (and me) good memories, but he has given me personally - more bad memories than good.

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by Mana

On 18/04/2022 at 23:29, Mana said:

FFS what is all these Spuds fans wanting to invest in us? Why can't they invest in their own club instead?

Glenn Hoddle a Spurs icon was one of the main players to kick start our modern success. Many of our best ever players grew up supporting rivals.

When you get in to football loyalty goes out of the window.

20 minutes ago, Argo said:

Glenn Hoddle a Spurs icon was one of the main players to kick start our modern success. Many of our best ever players grew up supporting rivals.

When you get in to football loyalty goes out of the window.

Yes but what is their goal for achieving success at Chelsea? At least with Hoddle, is to prove to himself he can become a better player/manager - hence benefitting us.

What are these investing us for? So we can become a better money making machine for them? Or to actually take us to the next level and make us challenge with City and win trophies? Which is...strange if that's the case.

If these Spuds investors/supporters, really want to invest in us and have the ambition to make us really the biggest club in London in terms of everything, including over their tiny little club...it's strange but I'm not going to stop them. 

Edited April 20, 20224 yr by Mana

I don't care less if they support Tottenham, as said before your not going to put your money in to see it crash.I just want it done so we can have normity and start planning for the future.

1 hour ago, Mana said:

What are these investing us for? So we can become a better money making machine for them? Or to actually take us to the next level and make us challenge with City and win trophies? Which is...strange if that's the case.

Those two points are not mutually exclusive. If they take us to the next level, they’ll certainly be earning more money from the Club. I’m not saying that keeping us top 4 wouldn’t be beneficial money wise, but if they want to earn more money they have to get us challenging home and in Europe. I don’t have figures to back this up, but I bet that Arsenal or ManU are getting less money now than what they’d be earning if they had not become mediocre teams.

30 minutes ago, RMH said:

Those two points are not mutually exclusive. If they take us to the next level, they’ll certainly be earning more money from the Club. I’m not saying that keeping us top 4 wouldn’t be beneficial money wise, but if they want to earn more money they have to get us challenging home and in Europe. I don’t have figures to back this up, but I bet that Arsenal or ManU are getting less money now than what they’d be earning if they had not become mediocre teams.

Yeah a lot of people seem to think our owners will either spend money to try and make us the biggest club in the world, OR rip off the fans in order to make a profit.

It's 99% certain that any new owner is going to do both 

23 hours ago, dkw said:

So you really think these executives did all this on their own, all these decisions were made independant of the famously controlling Billionaire owner?

No doubt he would have had sign off on the important decisions, but he's been paying his Board to run the club on his behalf same as any other sizeable company has the CEO/CFO and board running things but accountable to the shareholders/owners. 

Todd Boehly has the most concrete and expansive plans for development of Stamford Bridge. Broughton has been asked to provide a timescale for how quickly Harris/Blitzer can offload Palace shares. Palace fully cooperative so no delays expected.

- @JacobsBen
 

Stephen Pagliuca sees Chelsea and Atalanta working together. Has high-profile investors and sees a development of Stamford Bridge as not just ‘improving’ the stadium but allowing it to be multi-functional away from just #CFC games.

- @JacobsBen

The roadmap and cost for achieving this is seen as vaguer than the other two bids at this stage and may count against Pagliuca. But Chelsea do like the idea of generating more non-football income.

The Stephen Pagliuca-led bid for #Chelsea sees the development of Stamford Bridge as not just improving the stadium, but allowing it to be multi-functional [more than just football]. 

[via @JacobsBen]

36 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Todd Boehly has the most concrete and expansive plans for development of Stamford Bridge. Broughton has been asked to provide a timescale for how quickly Harris/Blitzer can offload Palace shares. Palace fully cooperative so no delays expected.

- @JacobsBen
 

Stephen Pagliuca sees Chelsea and Atalanta working together. Has high-profile investors and sees a development of Stamford Bridge as not just ‘improving’ the stadium but allowing it to be multi-functional away from just #CFC games.

- @JacobsBen

The roadmap and cost for achieving this is seen as vaguer than the other two bids at this stage and may count against Pagliuca. But Chelsea do like the idea of generating more non-football income.

The Stephen Pagliuca-led bid for #Chelsea sees the development of Stamford Bridge as not just improving the stadium, but allowing it to be multi-functional [more than just football]. 

[via @JacobsBen]

With so many unknowns is hard to pick a preferred option as a fan, but Pagliuca seems like a really intriguing option, especially with potential for more non-football income, Iger could surely open some doors in that respect.