Andre Onana

[Jezz]

Is he a good replacement for Kepa?

https://www.goal.com/en/news/onana-chelsea-move-blues-replacing-kepa/1fa51bl9hgjb11m8nzx7myasen

[ducavis]

19 minutes ago, Jezz said:

Is he a good replacement for Kepa?

https://www.goal.com/en/news/onana-chelsea-move-blues-replacing-kepa/1fa51bl9hgjb11m8nzx7myasen

Is Kepa really the problem? Personally I don’t think he will make much of a difference until Lamps addresses our systemic flaws.

We will continue leaking goals until he figures out that using your FBs as playmakers and not protecting your backline is a suicidal tactic. Who is meant to fill in behind them when we lose the ball high up the pitch? It clearly isn’t Jorginho as that isn’t his game. Klopp who he is trying to mirror deploys Fabinho is this role and in his absence Henderson has been moved deeper. We are the only team in the league in the PL without a DM/ chosen to set up without one. 
Has Kepa been poor? Sure but he isn’t the full picture. Last year under Sarri we conceded conceded 39 goals all season, we have conceded 34 already with 13 games to go. Sarri under whose tenure we brought in both Jorginho & Kepa never stuck his fullbacks far up the pitch because he understood Jorginho’s deficiencies. Until Lamps figures that out or scraps Sarri’s DLP experiment we will keep leaking goals.

[axman2526]

One thing is for sure, we should keep an eye on Ajax as they are producing some real talents and always let 1 or 2 go each summer.

 

Lets just make sure we end up with the Mbappes and the Silvas and not the Bakayoko's and Lemar's eh?

[Spiller86]

16 hours ago, ducavis said:

Is Kepa really the problem? Personally I don’t think he will make much of a difference until Lamps addresses our systemic flaws.

We will continue leaking goals until he figures out that using your FBs as playmakers and not protecting your backline is a suicidal tactic. Who is meant to fill in behind them when we lose the ball high up the pitch? It clearly isn’t Jorginho as that isn’t his game. Klopp who he is trying to mirror deploys Fabinho is this role and in his absence Henderson has been moved deeper. We are the only team in the league in the PL without a DM/ chosen to set up without one. 
Has Kepa been poor? Sure but he isn’t the full picture. Last year under Sarri we conceded conceded 39 goals all season, we have conceded 34 already with 13 games to go. Sarri under whose tenure we brought in both Jorginho & Kepa never stuck his fullbacks far up the pitch because he understood Jorginho’s deficiencies. Until Lamps figures that out or scraps Sarri’s DLP experiment we will keep leaking goals.

I think Kepa is part of the problem but you're right we give up good chances because our system setup isn't great. 

Totally agree on Jorginho too. Sooner we move Kante to that role the better. Still stuns me that there are still the Sarriball fans desperate for a regista in the team despite his deficiencies when playing a high press.

[Gol15]

17 hours ago, ducavis said:

Is Kepa really the problem? Personally I don’t think he will make much of a difference until Lamps addresses our systemic flaws.

We will continue leaking goals until he figures out that using your FBs as playmakers and not protecting your backline is a suicidal tactic. Who is meant to fill in behind them when we lose the ball high up the pitch? It clearly isn’t Jorginho as that isn’t his game. Klopp who he is trying to mirror deploys Fabinho is this role and in his absence Henderson has been moved deeper. We are the only team in the league in the PL without a DM/ chosen to set up without one. 
Has Kepa been poor? Sure but he isn’t the full picture. Last year under Sarri we conceded conceded 39 goals all season, we have conceded 34 already with 13 games to go. Sarri under whose tenure we brought in both Jorginho & Kepa never stuck his fullbacks far up the pitch because he understood Jorginho’s deficiencies. Until Lamps figures that out or scraps Sarri’s DLP experiment we will keep leaking goals.

Jorginho is one of the best players in the league, without him we would be at the level of Everton right now. In case you didn't notice, our midfield breaks down due to counter attacks very easy and it didn't really matter if Kante or Jorginho were there or not. It's a systemic flaw alright but not due to the midfielders, when an 18 year old Martinelli runs down the whole pitch and Kante slips it's obviously not due to Kante but due to the whole tactic, Jorginho maybe wouldn't have slipped but he would have gotten a yellow card, he has 9 now due to all the counter attacks. There is a good reason why Sarri never instructed a direct play, our defense is a big problem and the most volatile approach so far has been Lampard's tactic where if we miss our chances we simply lose since we can't keep the opposition from scoring, this is why he complains about the lack of goals and about so many missed chances.

[mwblue10]

If we do replace Kepa, I think Onana is a good option.

[wallosh]

If we do replace Kepa, I think Onana is a good option.

I haven't been impressed with Kepa this season, but Onana is never an upgrade to Kepa, if we are to get a new keeper, we should be going for someone much better than what we already have. I will suggest Leno or Dean Henderson. I like Oblak, but he is getting old and will come at a huge cost, Donarruma isn't as consistent as well!

[Adamrb]

3 hours ago, wallosh said:

On 08/02/2020 at 19:19, mwblue10 said:

If we do replace Kepa, I think Onana is a good option.

I haven't been impressed with Kepa this season, but Onana is never an upgrade to Kepa, if we are to get a new keeper, we should be going for someone much better than what we already have. I will suggest Leno or Dean Henderson. I like Oblak, but he is getting old and will come at a huge cost, Donarruma isn't as consistent as well!

Leno... really?!

[Deino]

Don't think Ajax will allow so many of their promising players go in one transfer window to one team

[mwblue10]

9 hours ago, wallosh said:

On 08/02/2020 at 13:19, mwblue10 said:

If we do replace Kepa, I think Onana is a good option.

I haven't been impressed with Kepa this season, but Onana is never an upgrade to Kepa, if we are to get a new keeper, we should be going for someone much better than what we already have. I will suggest Leno or Dean Henderson. I like Oblak, but he is getting old and will come at a huge cost, Donarruma isn't as consistent as well!

You pop up every few months with the most random, strange, far-fetched opinions. Leno??

[Spiller86]

28 minutes ago, mwblue10 said:

You pop up every few months with the most random, strange, far-fetched opinions. Leno??

Somewhat odd. I think the best case is that Kepa improves over the second half of the season and we get some competition in for him without needing a fullblown replacement. 

Plenty of good options out there if we do need to replace him that don't involve Leno...

[Deino]

14 hours ago, wallosh said:

On 09/02/2020 at 03:19, mwblue10 said:

If we do replace Kepa, I think Onana is a good option.

I haven't been impressed with Kepa this season, but Onana is never an upgrade to Kepa, if we are to get a new keeper, we should be going for someone much better than what we already have. I will suggest Leno or Dean Henderson. I like Oblak, but he is getting old and will come at a huge cost, Donarruma isn't as consistent as well!

If you said Pickford or Pope, I'd at least get where you're coming from. Leno?? Tf?

[ozboy]

1 hour ago, Deino said:

If you said Pickford or Pope, I'd at least get where you're coming from. Leno?? Tf?

So no Lino for Deino?

[Luca Vialli]

16 hours ago, Deino said:

If you said Pickford or Pope, I'd at least get where you're coming from. Leno?? Tf?

Pickford? He's utterly terrible and has a chip on his shoulder.

[strider6004]

On 16/02/2020 at 19:13, Luca Vialli said:

Pickford? He's utterly terrible and has a chip on his shoulder.

I agree on Pickford, he appears a little unbalanced or arrogant or something along those lines. 

[Skinnedy]

There's been a little more smoke around this one lately. I haven't watched him play. How good is he really? Or are we falling into the Emerson "he's not Alonso" trap?

https://www.si.com/soccer/chelsea/transfer-news/report-chelsea-make-ajax-andre-onana-number-one-goalkeeper-target

and by the way, looking at the thread, we would have been luck to have Leno. I watched nearly every Arsenal match this year, Leno (pre-injury) or Martinez would have been worth about 10 points to us. They were both damned good. 

Edited August 11, 2020 by Skinnedy

[Jangz]

read some fan comments on the Ajax forum.. most say he made some errors while starting out but is very consistent now.

[doctorblue]

If we are gong for another keep then he's the best option...he's out of contract next summer so Ajax happy to sell...performed well in the last two UCL seasons...£20m should do it...

 

[evissy]

Problem (if you see it as such) is Onana is the same age as Kepa and he is more in demand. We'd have two number one keepers in the side. If we go for Mendy who is 28 he is probably considered as number two. You buy Onana and Kepa knows what is coming. He is here as long as we can ship him out. With Mendy you can show Kepa he is still trusted for the long term solution. That is how the psychology works in this I think.

[abramovich]

2 hours ago, evissy said:

Problem (if you see it as such) is Onana is the same age as Kepa and he is more in demand. We'd have two number one keepers in the side. If we go for Mendy who is 28 he is probably considered as number two. You buy Onana and Kepa knows what is coming. He is here as long as we can ship him out. With Mendy you can show Kepa he is still trusted for the long term solution. That is how the psychology works in this I think.

I can definitely see your point and there might be something to it, but the only reason Kepa's still around is because we couldn't move him and everyone knows that. In order to generate any sort of interest he'll need to recover his form and play regularly. 

I think at that point it's safe to say Frank doesn't rate him and he's not in his plans, he didn't even trust him to finish the season. You'd have to be mad to keep playing him now, given how much is at stake in a club like ours after the nightmare season he had. Kepa won't get taller, he won't grow strong wrists and his confidence is long gone. The best thing for all parties involved would be to transfer him back to La Liga where he belongs but a combination of his big contract. huge drop of form and post-Covid financial climate probably makes it very difficult. I read somewhere that he had the worst stats in the top 5 leagues in Europe in 2019-20. He's just an expensive and useless burden we're stuck with at this point, that's how I see it.

 

[Amputechture]

3 hours ago, evissy said:

Problem (if you see it as such) is Onana is the same age as Kepa and he is more in demand. We'd have two number one keepers in the side. If we go for Mendy who is 28 he is probably considered as number two. You buy Onana and Kepa knows what is coming. He is here as long as we can ship him out. With Mendy you can show Kepa he is still trusted for the long term solution. That is how the psychology works in this I think.

If that's the case then isn't potentially spending upwards of 20 million pounds/euros quite excessive for a second choice keeper?

[WhiteWall]

1 hour ago, Amputechture said:

If that's the case then isn't potentially spending upwards of 20 million pounds/euros quite excessive for a second choice keeper?

If he comes in and does a decent job we could have paid 70 million for a second choice keeper! Lol

[Argo]

5 hours ago, evissy said:

Problem (if you see it as such) is Onana is the same age as Kepa and he is more in demand. We'd have two number one keepers in the side. If we go for Mendy who is 28 he is probably considered as number two. You buy Onana and Kepa knows what is coming. He is here as long as we can ship him out. With Mendy you can show Kepa he is still trusted for the long term solution. That is how the psychology works in this I think.

There isn't a snowball in hell chance Mendy won't be number 1 unless Kepa has a miracle resurgence/rise.

[evissy]

There still could be a good keeper in Kepa. We can't ship him out so we need to show some faith in him. We don't have a choice really. Kepa let's in an easy goal and the 'second' choice keeper plays the next 10 games.

[WhiteWall]

34 minutes ago, evissy said:

There still could be a good keeper in Kepa. We can't ship him out so we need to show some faith in him. We don't have a choice really. Kepa let's in an easy goal and the 'second' choice keeper plays the next 10 games.

Although to be honest  I cannot remember a club player, particularly a goal keeper, be so vilified, in the press, through the new medium of social media or indeed (by a lack of countering or staunchly supporting) by senior members of the club.  I can only imagine the first, post Covid, full house and Kepa throws in another soft shot from distance, and sections of the crowd start booing him or mocking him. If he is sensitive to the media, and for all we know he may be supremely confident and impervious to the cat calls, it will be like a trial in every game just waiting for him to fail woefully. Its an irony that we may have been (possibly) linked with Donnarumma who has had run ins with his home fans and we may find ourselves in a similar situation with our keeper this coming year.