Never understood why transfers take so long. 
 

“70m?…”no thank you”

80m..”not enough”

etc

When we offer  £80m it will not be enough and so on and on etc until it reaches £100m...on final day.

Walk away now 

Really can't see bloom turning down a 2566% return on an investment. I imagine it goes to deadline day with him signing for about £75-80m. 

I'm in the minority but I really hope we just walk away from this deal. 

It continues a very bad prior set precedent for us in the transfer market and it's a huge, more than we know it, opportunity to change that perception clubs have of us in the market place. 

No matter the big spender accusations lobbed at Pep what I've loved about him is that he will sooner buy ten £50m players than five £100 million players and they are pretty good at setting their own valuation for what they will buy a player and sticking to it. 

They have walked away from deals when it gets into bidding war and ridiculous pricing territory and one could argue that they do this because they do not need the players in the first place. 

However, we are in a phase of rebuilding and I boldly proclaim that having Caicedo is not going to turn us into winners overnight. It might help get us there quicker but the focus should be building the team to the point where you are confident you need one or two players to achieve the end goal of whatever you have been working on, and that's when you can justify going all out. 

It's a very wrong time for the move at this price in my opinion. 

37 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Really can't see bloom turning down a 2566% return on an investment. I imagine it goes to deadline day with him signing for about £75-80m. 

I really hope so. Sadly I can't see Brighton giving up their valuation.

At the same time it would be foolish of them to end in a lose-lose-lose situation over £10-15m.

We'll end up without our main target. Caicedo won't get his move - probably end up somewhat unhappy.
- Brighton will keep an unhappy player while losing out on a massive amount of money.

My guess is that we'll get him if we move closer towards them in some regard. I imagine the payment strucure being crucial as well. 

The higher the bid; the better the terms.

If we somehow manage to convince them of £80m it'll be with a high payment upfront or a short period (1-2 years probably) to pay off the total amount.
- With £90m it'll most likely be more favorable terms for us while £100m will be the most ideal terms.

Still get the feeling that this one could go on towards the ending of August with us just splashing £100m and giving in. Enzo vibes to some degree.

We've walked from first choice signings often, and ended up with what we could grab, which invariably failed. Teams hold for their first choice, Liverpool dud it with Van Dijk and Allison, and at the time Chelsea fans were jealous and wished we did that.

Edited July 26, 20232 yr by dkw

This has all the makings of a good negotiation, meaning if resolved, neither party will be particularly happen with the terms (assuming the outcome is less the £100M).  

Really torn on this.  We need midfield quality desperately, and although only one season in PL, Caicedo appears to check all the boxes.  Saying that, £100M for a young player with one season under his belt is borderline madness, and as noted here numerous times, anyone seems to look good at Brighton (the Danny Welbeck comment being case in point, although he always scores against us).

Ultimately I think we need to get this deal done as limited other options, and if we truly believe in his quality, our starting mids are locked for 5+ years.  We're talking Lukaku money, and while his CV was better, we all moved on from that as well. 

De Zerbi's latest comments make me think they still expect us to sign him. 

If we are going to pay the full £100m then I’m happy to leave it to the last minute.  Once signed we can then send a message to Tony Bloom saying ’good luck finding a replacement’ along with a picture of Colwill signing a 5 year extension while giving him the fingers. Then no one speaks of Brighton again. The End

Game of poker now. 

 

1 hour ago, PhilH930 said:

This has all the makings of a good negotiation, meaning if resolved, neither party will be particularly happen with the terms (assuming the outcome is less the £100M).  

Really torn on this.  We need midfield quality desperately, and although only one season in PL, Caicedo appears to check all the boxes.  Saying that, £100M for a young player with one season under his belt is borderline madness, and as noted here numerous times, anyone seems to look good at Brighton (the Danny Welbeck comment being case in point, although he always scores against us).

Ultimately I think we need to get this deal done as limited other options, and if we truly believe in his quality, our starting mids are locked for 5+ years.  We're talking Lukaku money, and while his CV was better, we all moved on from that as well. 

Exactly, paying about thesame amount that we paid for Lukaku for Caicedo isn't a big deal, I'm not really happy that this deal dragged this long, we sold many players, we made some money, let's wrap this deal and move on.

I can definitely understand people thinking £100m is too much for someone who has only been in the EPL for one season.

However I think he is a very good player with similar stats to Declan Rice and has the potential to be a mainstay in our midfield with Enzo for years to come.

Like some have mentioned, if he’s our number one target in midfield then we should have the courage of our conviction and get the deal done.

It’s when you start looking at cheaper alternatives then that’s what you normally what you end up with best case scenario, a cheaper alternative.

Very rarely has cost cutting worked out for us, sometimes you get what you pay for.

1 hour ago, Hessleboink said:

De Zerbi's latest comments make me think they still expect us to sign him. 

Propaganda based on Brighton's insistence that Colwill going to them is part of the deal.

13 minutes ago, dermott said:

Propaganda based on Brighton's insistence that Colwill going to them is part of the deal.

Igor completed. Maybe they accept 80 now?

Depends if it's a d*ck waving contest. And I don't mean waving ducks around.

We walked away from ugarte Because we didn’t want to compete with PSG when it came to wages. There are other options away from caicedo who I’d want to look at before agreeing to Brightons price.

 

Alan varela is about to join Porto for around 10 million euros. Similar fee that saw Enzo go to Benfica last summer. I know we have plenty of young midfielders but Caicedo is the same age and only has one more year than varela in a top league. I would personally love to see chelsea drown their bid out of the water because similar to Enzo I can see Varela moving for a lot more than 10 million in a season or two.

 

Zubimendi is another quality defensive midfielder but he might have his heart set on barcelona.

 

tchouameni would probably cost the same as caicedo and I’d say he’s a safer bet personally.

 

I don’t think we should go for a stop gap but we could go for Redondo and alverez and loan Redondo out for a season or 2 until he’s ready and use Santos and Alverez in that role.

Ive been back and forth with this, but tbh, if we have money to spend £15m on players to go straight out on loan, then we can stretch to make the deal with Brighton for Caicedo. 

Obviously we dont want to seem like push overs in the market, but this is a vital signing for us, early signs on the likes of Jackson are promising, so we have saved money in other areas.

Lets just get this done, and move on.

 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Igor completed. Maybe they accept 80 now?

Why should it change anything? They've been smart enough to not put all their eggs in Colwill basket and can be relaxed to take things to the wire. 

Like the short man said whether Caicedo is in the team or not they will play. It is not a do or die, they do not have any pressure to sell. We can't even now use the Colin as a Carrot if they stand firm and say Caicedo not to be sold. They can be relaxed and try to extract the maximum any foolish club will be happy to pay. 

Just get it done, We need him and the season is just a couple of weeks away. We can't go into the season under staffed if we want something positive to come out of it.

On 23/07/2023 at 14:35, STATS said:

He was one of the lowest paid players in the league. Reportedly £15,000 a week which  is really low for PL standard. So yeah, he has put himself in a mud, however he gets a much higher salary and in the likelihood of an injury, he has got security for himself and family I guess. No guarantees in football and prob still thinks he could force a move. Think he is on as much as £80k p/w now.

I've written about this in the past, either here or on TalkChelsea under the same screen name.

I think concerns about insurance are now a thing of the past because PL players, and/or their agents, have the resources to put individual policies in place to insure their future income. This is why more and more players are taking advantage of the ability to run down contracts and then cash in when they walk for free.

As for the annual increase that is a consideration of course but, if you have your eye on a move you are risking the benefit of a good top six/seven size pay packet for one season of a Brighton sized good pay packet. Caicedo had his reasons, and maybe if we knew what he knows, we'd have reached the same decision, but the choice he made comes with a significant downside.

Edited July 26, 20232 yr by OhForAGreavsie

On 24/07/2023 at 19:55, axman2526 said:

We go with Santos and Casadei then. I am not fussed I would rather we stop dealing with Brighton, their campaign with Colwill has been disgraceful 

There must be a reason why so many people are excited about Santos but, I still have not seen anything from him which really excites me. I accept that this must mean I just haven't seen enough yet, but, for now, I can't say that I'm excited about the prospect of his starting games for us. As for Cesare, I was not convinced by what I saw in the PL2 games i attended before he went on loan. The upshot is that, rightly or wrongly, I don't believe we will see major improvement if there is a heavy reliance on those two in the early part of the season.

On 24/07/2023 at 20:56, Nick05 said:

Then why don't they propose a straight swap of Caicedo with Colwill ? Or maybe Colwill + 10 mill ? But they won't. They value Caicedo at an eye-watering 100 mill but Colwill at 30 mill only. Yes its hard to understand and maybe you can tell more about the logic of this valuation. I see it as simply trying to get a top prospect for peanuts and flogging him at triple profit next season. Brighton are a selling club, that's not hard to understand.

I'd be ok with including Cucu in the deal but I think they have a better left back now, and they must know it.

On 24/07/2023 at 21:03, axman2526 said:

Brighton are said to be quite happy to keep this going on till the end of the window expecting we will cave and give them colwill or 100mill plus.

Standard operating protocol.

On for the last 25 minutes v brentford as right back. To me that's a sign.

 

Edited July 26, 20232 yr by ozboy

1 minute ago, ozboy said:

On for the last 25 minutes v brentford

 

I don't expect him to kick up a fuss to make a move happen.