2 hours ago, enigma said:

I stated many times but the coach,  Sarri now, is managing a chelsea team which is the bi-product of season upon season of poor player acquisition and mismanagement, both by previous managers and club hierarchy. We could have had Aguero, we got a shot to sh*t Torres. We could have had KDB we got rid, we could have still had Salah we got rid, we could have had Felipe Luis, we got rid, the list goes on.

As for youth, Sarri is now come to a new club and as well as the pressure to succeed the previous success, he's also dealing with an unsettled fanbase and a young player in H-Odoi. We have no divine right to win trophies unless the club are spending big to bring in the best players to compete.

We have spent big alright, but on utter tripe for the most part. It starts from the top down, and if the owner/board aren't making the right decisions or showing any long term planning then good luck being a stable club and with that bringing success.

It may have worked up until now, but with more clubs being better run, showing patience and making smarter signings, we will be left behind and no coach will improve that mess.

As a fanbase we have become spoiled. We now have too high a expectations. Yes we may have won two league titles in 4 seasons, but there's no long term planning in sight. That is not how you run a club. Look at Liverpool and City, even Spurs to a lesser extent of how to run a club properly and make smart moves. 

This is spot on.

Let Sarri sort this team out mould it into his own until Super Frank and Jody have the experience and take over in a few years time. 

1 hour ago, EngineerJoe said:

The writing is on the wall for Sarri. He is gone. The players aren't performing for him and why should they? He is making all the wrong team line up choices and is constantly getting subs wrong. Our 2 best players out of position.

Hazard will move on, Kante will be snapped up by the likes of PSG and we we will become a top 10 team with the likes of Arsenal. No-one wants to be Arsenal, not even Arsenal. Let's get rid of him now before the rot truly sits in. We are still in multiple trophies, can we not exit all of them before deciding that the players simply aren't interested any more.

You forgot to mention we need to buy Callum Wilson.

The disrespect is unreal. 

Abstract thinking... blasphemy!! 

We’ve got to stop sacking managers, back one so the players think, right  knuckle down he isn’t going anywhere I’ve got to play for him. I’ve said on yesterday’s match thread everyone is entitled to their opinion on how we play and Personnel. 

The interesting thing is apart from flooding the team with young, inexperienced players, we only have around five players that people agree should be in the team. With others the fill the bench and don’t come on and players that don’t get in the squad would make you think the squad is not that good.

2 hours ago, Brutos said:

these players? do not like to be called out and this will only end with one winner the playe?r?s

Or 2 losers

This isn't anywhere near the Terry, Lampard. Drogba team in player power. Some of the aging leaders have already been moved out. Are you going to back Luiz, Willian, Pedro and Azpilacueta? Azpi is the only one of those I can picture even being here in 2 seasons. 

Hazard could be gone regardless, and I think he'd actually enjoy playing LW for Sarri with some better players around him. Kante isn't one to complain, and Rudiger usually appears to be pissed at his teammates as well. 

Even if this was a younger, more charismatic, tougher bunch, who are they going to complain to?

When is the last time you think any of them talked with Abramovich? You think Marina is going to lend a sympathetic ear? 

Sarri is a dream coach for this board, who does very little criticizing of the personnel and transfer policy. 

There is going to be massive turnover in this club in the next 18 months. 

Sarri may end up a loser in this battle, but there are going to be A LOT of casualties. 

That said, to answer the question literally... I think most of us hope Frank continues his upward trajectory and takes the helm in a few years. 

8 minutes ago, Richard P said:

We’ve got to stop sacking managers, back one so the players think, right  knuckle down he isn’t going anywhere I’ve got to play for him. I’ve said on yesterday’s match thread everyone is entitled to their opinion on how we play and Personnel. 

The interesting thing is apart from flooding the team with young, inexperienced players, we only have around five players that people agree should be in the team. With others the fill the bench and don’t come on and players that don’t get in the squad would make you think the squad is not that good.

agreed, but find one first who the players want to play for and does not seem to be more and more tactically inept, should they of stuck with villa boas or scolari? ancelloti yes, but in my opinion he was the only one who should not of gone as jose and conte gave them no choice as they would not give them what they wanted so had to sack them

Wouldn’t want Frank to manage Chelsea. He doesn’t deserve to be treated like sh*t. 

Don't understand people saying back the manager, he is the one constantly picking the same players, he is the one reluctant to give youth a proper chance, he is the one so unwilling to change, in my opinion he is just as much a problem as a lot of players at this club, clearly out of his depth

8 minutes ago, Richard P said:

We’ve got to stop sacking managers, back one so the players think, right  knuckle down he isn’t going anywhere I’ve got to play for him. I’ve said on yesterday’s match thread everyone is entitled to their opinion on how we play and Personnel. 

The interesting thing is apart from flooding the team with young, inexperienced players, we only have around five players that people agree should be in the team. With others the fill the bench and don’t come on and players that don’t get in the squad would make you think the squad is not that good.

agreed, but find one first who the players want to play for and does not seem to be more and more tactically inept, should they of stuck with villa boas or scolari? ancelloti yes, but in my opinion he was the only one who should not of gone as jose and conte gave them no choice as they would not give them what they wanted so had to sack them

1 hour ago, luckywerthers said:

i do not understand too much about tactics and formations, but what puzzles me is why sarri keeps wasting hazard in this false 9 whilst we have giroud on the bench, he is good enough to play in the world cup winning squad but not ours ?, is he that much worse than this Argentinian that is supposedly coming in? it seems that every body in the world thinks hazard should not be wasted like this other than sarri, and i think that is quite worrying

I think it has something to do with Giroud being a target man, he's good when we launch diagonals into him in the box, but when he's asked to come deep to receive the ball he's slow as f***. The false 9 is (apparently) supposed to drop deep to receive the ball, but it needs a player with high mobility, which Hazard has, but maybe not the tactical discipline to work the opponent's defensive line (it isn't his natural position, IMHO). Or something like that. Hopefully that's where Higuain comes into the equation. Giroud suited France because they played with a target man up front, with Griezmann just behind him.

Edited January 20, 20197 yr by JC10

13 minutes ago, Skinnedy said:

Or 2 losers

This isn't anywhere near the Terry, Lampard. Drogba team in player power. Some of the aging leaders have already been moved out. Are you going to back Luiz, Willian, Pedro and Azpilacueta? Azpi is the only one of those I can picture even being here in 2 seasons. 

Hazard could be gone regardless, and I think he'd actually enjoy playing LW for Sarri with some better players around him. Kante isn't one to complain, and Rudiger usually appears to be pissed at his teammates as well. 

Even if this was a younger, more charismatic, tougher bunch, who are they going to complain to?

When is the last time you think any of them talked with Abramovich? You think Marina is going to lend a sympathetic ear? 

Sarri is a dream coach for this board, who does very little criticizing of the personnel and transfer policy. 

There is going to be massive turnover in this club in the next 18 months. 

Sarri may end up a loser in this battle, but there are going to be A LOT of casualties. 

That said, to answer the question literally... I think most of us hope Frank continues his upward trajectory and takes the helm in a few years. 

That's a quality post. I think out of all the players we've currently got the only one who can even potentially force the board's hand and effectively get a manager sacked is Hazard, since he's the best and most important player we've got. Kante is the only other genuine world class footballer we have, but neither him nor Eden are the type to start trouble. The rest of the team varies from very good to solid to decent to sh*t, but none is irreplaceable.

1 hour ago, luckywerthers said:

i do not understand too much about tactics and formations, but what puzzles me is why sarri keeps? wasting hazard in this false 9 whilst we have giroud on the? be?n?c?h

The theory behind it is to get your three best attacking players on the field at once. 

But you're seeing the results... And there are several reasons. 

1. Willian isn't a good attacking player. He's wasted in a front three. Historically he is terrific at dribbling out of traffic, tracking back, and linking up in the midfield. Higher up the pitch, his weaknesses are exposed. 

2. Hazard is more effective out wide. He has the freedom to drift, but when he drops back and starts running at the defense, there is no center forward to play off of, because he's the center forward and he's vacated that spot. 

So now you've weakened the left wing by moving Hazard and vacated the center forward position. 

3. Pedro is physically limited. I love his effort. I think he is a good finisher, but he's easily bullied off the ball and isn't a threat in the air. He's quick, but not fast. 

Arsenal could press... Rest.. Press again. As they sat back and caught their breath, they could watch chelsea pass the ball around the permiter. 

Add that to the fact that there were 3 goals from the entire midfield (all from the guy who can't go forward), and unfortunately, the result is predictable. 

There will be one offs, but counting on goals from Kante and Luiz in every game is a recipe for a lot of goalless games. 

A proper striker immediately improves 2 positions in the front three as Hazard shifts back to the left. 

A more physically gifted, direct player like Hudson-Odoi improves the third. 

There's no future with Willian and Pedro. They're the two oldest wingers in the EPL. I understand that Sarri wants to get the system right, but where's the upside with 2 guys on the wings who are on the wrong side of 30? 

Arsenal can't defend, Wolves gave up 4 yesterday. The attack really can't get any worse. And relieving some pressure on the back would actually improve what is a pretty solid defensive group. 

I'm sure we've all seen what Napoli did against Man City and there points tally in Sarri's second two seasons there, all of that wasn't achieved in 6 months.

Closer to home people were saying Peps tactics wouldn't work in the EPL in his first 6 months and Klopp and Poch we're worse.

Why are we so quick to be going for the jugular and wanting him out? For years we've been saying we need to stop hiding and firing, then we finally get a manager to change our style and philosophies and everyone wants him gone 6 months when we sit 4th in the league, still in both domestic cups and topped our group in Europe.

This is all without a firing striker and a board with no direction. Has Sarri made mistakes, yes but we're in a pretty good position so far and I think people need to chill out a bit and give the man at least a season if not 18 months.

Edited January 20, 20197 yr by DukesOfHazard

14 minutes ago, abramovich said:

That's a quality post. I think out of all the players we've currently got the only one who can even potentially force the board's hand and effectively get a manager sacked is Hazard, since he's the best and most important player we've got. Kante is the only other genuine world class footballer we have, but neither him nor Eden are the type to start trouble. The rest of the team varies from very good to solid to decent to sh*t, but none is irreplaceable.

David Luiz has a lot of power at the club

1 hour ago, dan_cfc said:

Let Sarri sort this team out mould it into his own until Super Frank and Jody have the experience and take over in a few years time. 

And then they'll change it, change the formation, change the players......this club has lost its identity much like Man U did in their last 3 appointed managers, now that they have an ex player in charge who knows what the culture and style of the club is recognized for and he and the players are thriving.  I'm sure if you brought Frank, JT and Jody back along with Carlo we would see the our culture and identity return; solid in defence, tough in midfield and strong arming defenders up front; instead we have this flopping around on pitch, shrugging of shoulders when they lose the ball, and no heart to make a crunching tackle when required instead we have this tippy tappy back passing, sideways crap with no end product in sight and a manager who is entrenched and stubborn in his ways.....blow the squad up and start afresh bar a few players who give a f**k about this club.  I for one would gladly suffer a season or two finishing mid table as we develop...although I doubt Roman would.

Jeez for a second I thought Sarri was sacked, which would have been a pathetic decision.

Gice him time.

1 minute ago, Richard P said:

David Luiz has a lot of power at the club

David Luiz will be 32 in April, is out of contract in June, has already been sold once, and appears to be a favorite of Sarri. 

I'm not worried about his potential influence on personnel or managerial decisions 

Guardiola and klopp both took a couple of years to build the teams they have now. A little faith from the board and fans can take a team a long way

11 minutes ago, Richard P said:

David Luiz has a lot of power at the club

I don't think so. He's a likeable, larger-than-life character who's popular in the dressing room, but if tomorrow he asks for a pound more on his one year extension than Marina thinks he's worth they'll find him back in the Rio beach with her seven inch heel up his anus. None of the current players has any influence on the club hierarchy. Even Hazard I only mentioned as a possibility because of his value as a player, I don't think he has any input in the board decisions.

Edited January 20, 20197 yr by abramovich

Sarri has to be given time. However this is the third manager that has levelled criticism at this set of players. IMO any player who does not want to commit their future to Chelsea, should be sold, and if that includes Hazard so be it. I find the stance Chelsea have taken to the Hazard contract, has made the club look weak.

So we're halfway through the season, we are in the top 4, in the last 32 of the Europa League, 4th round of the FA Cup and the semi finals of the League Cup.

Why the hell are people even talking about Sarri leaving and possible replacements? I'm confused?

We lost 2-0 away to Arsenal, we haven't looked amazing recently and it's clear some players simply aren't good enough. Things take time, patience is needed and slowly we'll start to improve

 

2 hours ago, Munkworth said:

I’m surprised people on this forum don’t suffer from various leg injuries with the massive amounts of over the top knee jerking that goes on here 

My knees been crook for years.

4 minutes ago, Sparkz said:

So we're halfway through the season, we are in the top 4, in the last 32 of the Europa League, 4th round of the FA Cup and the semi finals of the League Cup.

Why the hell are people even talking about Sarri leaving and possible replacements? I'm confused?

We lost 2-0 away to Arsenal, we haven't looked amazing recently and it's clear some players simply aren't good enough. Things take time, patience is needed and slowly we'll start to improve

 

It's Brutos that posted #Sarriout before the end of the game yesterday. But it wasn't during the heat of the moment, he really thinks that the biggest factor is this current manager.