I think he'll sign, he just wants a better basic. Its widely reported that the £200k offered was largely built up of add-ons with a much lower basic salary. 

Feels like this Mount is a mile away these days. And this was just a few months ago.

He was inconsistent under Tuchel but still showed he was a class player.

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He's the sort of player that when the team is playing well, he can find space, can find passes, and he looks very good at times. But when the team is down, he's just as poor as the rest.

I think if we can get back to some sort of coherent style of play with players that are actually decent, he'll pick up again. He's just not someone you can rely on to get you out of trouble.

I think in order to get the best out of Mason, Havertz needs to go.... I think they're too similar.

6 hours ago, Argo said:

I really hope we cap his contract offer at 200k and if I'm honest I think even that is generous.

Reece is on 250k and he's nowhere near as close to his importance, and before people say "but Sterling" two wrongs don't make a right.

Agree - £200k pw for a steady grafter is already outrageous.  Mase is a cracking player, but I dont see him as the showstopping gamechanger that we initially hoped (and what which would justify stratospheric wages)

No matter what people think about him, he has been our key player the moment he started playing.

It would be strange seeing him in a shirt of another PL club, the level of work rate he put in for several seasons in a row would be enough for me to put him as the vice-captain in the future. So I hope he stays even if I do believe that Gallagher has a lot to offer us in that advanced role too. I see Havertz as the player that didn't fulfill his potential.

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41 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Agree - £200k pw for a steady grafter is already outrageous.  Mase is a cracking player, but I dont see him as the showstopping gamechanger that we initially hoped (and what which would justify stratospheric wages)

That's not all he is though. He's shown he's a key component of the squad over the last 3 years that can score/assist/defend, he just needs help in the middle and up top to relieve the burden on him. 

I don't really care how much he gets, he should be part of the squad in the long term.

In my opinion if he was at a team like Pool or City we would all want to sign him.

 

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

That's not all he is though. He's shown he's a key component of the squad over the last 3 years that can score/assist/defend, he just needs help in the middle and up top to relieve the burden on him. 

There are players that are superstars and can change games on their own, even when others are not performing. Prime Eden. Lamps. Drogba. Elite players who could take the game by the scruff of the neck, and change the result, even when others are playing badly. Those are the types of players we should be paying too dollar for.

He is not that player to drive us to a victory when all else are failing. He is not that player to do a bit of magic, or hit a thunderbolt, or rip the head of those not pulling their weight. He has not shown that and therefore, for me, should not be paid in line with the very elite.

As much as I love mase, he is the support act, a steady and reliable all rounder who can be relied upon to try, to graft, to support. Good in many things, but not elite at anything. As I have said before - that's fine. Not everyone can be a Zola - and we need a reliable support act. We just shouldn't pay elite wages for those that don't turn games 

7 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

That's not all he is though. He's shown he's a key component of the squad over the last 3 years that can score/assist/defend, he just needs help in the middle and up top to relieve the burden on him. 

I don't disagree with what you're saying but it kind of proves my point a little bit, to give him the type of wages he reportedly wants then he should be the type of player that can drag underperforming sides through.

James doesn't need other players relieving the burden on him, he alone makes this team look better, likewise Hazard before him (before anyone says 15/16 he was playing through injury). If he's getting the same/more wages as Reece then he's going to have to start being judged by those standards which he simply won't be able to keep up with.

23 hours ago, bisright1 said:

If he gets more than 200 for Liverpool he's on VVD money. He's not getting more than 200 elsewhere, his stock has fallen and so he either elevates his game, or he accepts the 200. 

Then Mason will stay. 

No other team will be willing to pay Mason starter money. Arsenal already has their 1st choice attacker, united does not need another am, city is loaded with am and I have no idea what spurs is going to do. 

On 10/01/2023 at 17:12, nonotnowjim said:

There are players that are superstars and can change games on their own, even when others are not performing. Prime Eden. Lamps. Drogba. Elite players who could take the game by the scruff of the neck, and change the result, even when others are playing badly. Those are the types of players we should be paying too dollar for.

He is not that player to drive us to a victory when all else are failing. He is not that player to do a bit of magic, or hit a thunderbolt, or rip the head of those not pulling their weight. He has not shown that and therefore, for me, should not be paid in line with the very elite.

As much as I love mase, he is the support act, a steady and reliable all rounder who can be relied upon to try, to graft, to support. Good in many things, but not elite at anything. As I have said before - that's fine. Not everyone can be a Zola - and we need a reliable support act. We just shouldn't pay elite wages for those that don't turn games 

When he has other players contributing he can drag the team to victory though. Look at the Atletico game in the CL and both legs against Real. 

I do agree he isn't in the Lamps/Zola/Hazard/Drogba category though. Sad thing is £150-200k these days isn't elite wages, its more considered basic at top clubs. I mean look at Sancho on £350k a week, Sterling probably on something similar. You've got to factor in he has no transfer value attached to him and obviously English tax. I think £175k basic plus add-ons is fair for him.

On 10/01/2023 at 19:25, Argo said:

I don't disagree with what you're saying but it kind of proves my point a little bit, to give him the type of wages he reportedly wants then he should be the type of player that can drag underperforming sides through.

James doesn't need other players relieving the burden on him, he alone makes this team look better, likewise Hazard before him (before anyone says 15/16 he was playing through injury). If he's getting the same/more wages as Reece then he's going to have to start being judged by those standards which he simply won't be able to keep up with.

I kind of covered it in my above post before i saw your post.

What did we put Reece on, is it £250k? Its quite common place that defenders get less than midfielders or attackers so thats more like £350k a week for an attacker. For me, £175k basic plus decent add ons is fair for Mount. I know there's the report of turning down the £200k a week contract but most respectable journo's said that was closer to £140k a week heavily subsidised by add-ons.

 

 

Should be one of the last players we let leave this club. 

5 hours ago, Munkworth said:

 

I don't think many people criticise him personally, everyone knows he loves Chelsea, it's just a question of is he good enough to play for a team that's supposed to be challenging for the top prizes in Europe and I'd answer no, not as a starter anyway.

Needs to up his game massively but wouldn’t be looking to drop him yet as he’s still one of the better ones of an awful bunch. 

id imagine he will resign but not at the amount he wants. As has been said already , I think he’s a good player but not a great player . I’d have my doubts as to whether there’s a queue of big clubs waiting to take him on.

5 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I don't think many people criticise him personally, everyone knows he loves Chelsea, it's just a question of is he good enough to play for a team that's supposed to be challenging for the top prizes in Europe and I'd answer no, not as a starter anyway.

He has played well at the top level in Europe already though. I think he’s good enough to be a support act to the key men. 

49 minutes ago, Dubair said:

He has played well at the top level in Europe already though. I think he’s good enough to be a support act to the key men. 

But so were Werner and Havertz, one was mercilessly slagged off til he left and the other is criticised every game with most wanting him out.

Just now, timetowaste said:

But so were Werner and Havertz, one was mercilessly slagged off til he left and the other is criticised every game with most wanting him out.

I actually think we should have kept Werner, always stretched defences. Kai (outside of the CL run) has never really shown his quality, Mount we got 2 and a half quality years out of him so has proven he can do it at Chelsea.

1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

I don't think many people criticise him personally, everyone knows he loves Chelsea, it's just a question of is he good enough to play for a team that's supposed to be challenging for the top prizes in Europe and I'd answer no, not as a starter anyway.

I also think the point to take on board here is that we are supposedly going through a transition. Whether Potter leads us through this transition or ultimately somebody else does is somewhat immaterial. The point being is over the course of the next 1,2,3 ?? years we intend to transition the style of this team. Once we have transitioned to where we are going do we genuinely believe that, from the resources available currently, Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho, RLC, CHO Pulisic or Ziyech will still be part of this "project". Personally, through age, form, and playing style, i think not.

Therefore from what is left and is available where does Mason Mount stand. Pretty high i think. Carney, Hutchinson. Casadei, Santos etc, would all look at MM as a senior pro.

Once we have transitioned to where and what we want to be, you may well be right that MM doesn't have the necessary tools and may well become surplus to requirements.

For me personllay, until then, if this were the Chelsea Big Brother House, i'd be voting those others out long before him.

45 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

But so were Werner and Havertz, one was mercilessly slagged off til he left and the other is criticised every game with most wanting him out.

He was consistently better than both of them over the 2 year period in my opinion anyway. Werner was what he was , caused problems but missed so many chances. Havertz has been consistently awful since he arrived even dating back to his debut against Brighton which was very similar to his performance last night. 
  
he had an excellent champions league final but I don’t recall him standing out in too many of the other games. 

1 hour ago, Dubair said:

He was consistently better than both of them over the 2 year period in my opinion anyway. Werner was what he was , caused problems but missed so many chances. Havertz has been consistently awful since he arrived even dating back to his debut against Brighton which was very similar to his performance last night. 
  
he had an excellent champions league final but I don’t recall him standing out in too many of the other games. 

I think Werner was seriously underrated. 22 goal contributions in his first season. In the 2nd year he was worse but that could be down to him hardly playing. We look toothless without him.

6 hours ago, timetowaste said:

I don't think many people criticise him personally, everyone knows he loves Chelsea, it's just a question of is he good enough to play for a team that's supposed to be challenging for the top prizes in Europe and I'd answer no, not as a starter anyway.

People have been completely unhinged about him playing for our club since the moment he stepped on to the pitch in Chelsea shirt. Despite being our player of the year twice after playing a key role for every manager here and being heavily involved in us winning the CL. I believe this is aimed at them. 
 

Also I’m sure Mason is very aware that his not performing for whatever reason at the moment. His teams are also not performing. The fans are pretty f**ked off with all of them yet he’s the only one to go over to the away support. The rest of them should be ashamed. 

7 hours ago, Munkworth said:

People have been completely unhinged about him playing for our club since the moment he stepped on to the pitch in Chelsea shirt. Despite being our player of the year twice after playing a key role for every manager here and being heavily involved in us winning the CL. I believe this is aimed at them. 
 

Also I’m sure Mason is very aware that his not performing for whatever reason at the moment. His teams are also not performing. The fans are pretty f**ked off with all of them yet he’s the only one to go over to the away support. The rest of them should be ashamed. 

You should watch him play. Not good enough.

Only reason his name isn't mentioned in the clearout of the squad is because he's an academy product and people get caught up in their emotions and feelings like an old woman knitting socks by the fireplace with an apple cider.