28 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'll probably get pelters for this but he should be starting every game for us. He's had something like 9 starts for us and then the odd 15/20 minutes when we're losing against a team that's got every man behind the ball.

If he's still underperforming after an extended run of starts then I think it's time to consider what to do with him but he's been massively mismanaged by 3 managers since he's been here and if hasn't even been a year.

I also think he should be starting, I think alot of players we've bought should be starting and we should be playing them into form.

Mudryk, Palmer, Sterling with Jackson leading should be the go to for now with Noni rotating. This is what we spent the money on and this is the bed we must lie in until it comes good, win or loss it doesn't matter.

I'd disagree if we had a few older pros upfront and we can bed him in but we don't have that.

Edited September 4, 20232 yr by Sheva

Poch has made comments that he's been playing with/through injuries in the past or coming back too quick hence the recent absence from the team. 

If that was actually the case then a run in the team once he's physically where he needs to be is the only way we see any reward from him, unless we start winning games where he can come in late when the opposition are chasing. 

Bringing him on for 10 minutes against a 10man low block seeing out a result is the opposite of the conditions he needs. 

Need something soon though as fixtures are about to take a turn

As if we didn't already suffer enough with Torres & Werner, we decided to buy a hybrid of both! 🤣 Hope to be proved wrong but I've seen this film before

Edited September 4, 20232 yr by rtwelch

So the majority say no then, let's see then but is concerning how many flaws are seen in his game.

Apart from speed not showing he has anything to offer. Hope I am proved wrong. What he needs now is to come on in last 20mins when game is stretched more.

11 hours ago, timetowaste said:

I'll probably get pelters for this but he should be starting every game for us.

I'm inclined to agree, a 4-2-3-1 counter attacking style may suit Mudryk. The tricky bit is how to encourage the opposition to have a go.

Edited September 4, 20232 yr by the special one

If we're going to send out players on loan because they don't look good enough after a few bit parts in games then there won't be anyone left., Everyone has looked sh*t during the last season and this. Give the lad a bit of time. 

Sterling is the flavour of the month now after being a fraud .Jackson was the new Drogba,  now he is inexperienced and raw.

Poch has improved us no end, now he is clueless, our football is fast and energetic, now it's boring and slow.

And we've only played a few games 😂

8 minutes ago, the special one said:

I'm inclined to agree, a 4-2-3-1 counter attacking style may suit Mudryk. The tricky bit is how to encourage the opposition to have a go.

Play a low block !

I usually try to avoid reading twitter for football opinions but I'm presently surprised that even the usual click hunters can see that Mudryk needs time and minutes on the pitch. When I searched his name I fully expected it to be an absolute cesspit of negativity about him like it usually is but luckily it's been contained to a few people on here instead.

On 03/09/2023 at 15:10, Sconnie Blue said:

Reminds me of those players that learns skills + does 1 million keepy uppies instead of mastering the fundamentals. 

Needs more confidence. Needs more game time. 

The single grain of hope that i am clinging to is that Cristiano Ronaldo was all floppy hair and flicks and bollox when he first started at Man Utd and he turned out pretty good with a bit of patience. Mind you he still knew where the onion bag was even from the beginning.

I do agree with other comments that he needs to have a decent run in the side and hopefully played into form by developing relationships with a player or two around him

Edited September 4, 20232 yr by WhiteWall

Great debut. Phenomenal acceleration and speed to the point Athletics might be a better sport for the kid.

He seems so amped up you expect him to come crashing through the TV screen. 

 

11 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

The single grain of hope that i am clinging to is that Cristiano Ronaldo was all floppy hair and flicks and bollox when he first started at Man Utd and he turned out pretty good with a bit of patience. Mind you he still knew where the onion bag was even from the beginning.

I do agree with other comments that he needs to have a decent run in the side and hopefully played into form by developing relationships with a player or two around him

Ronaldo managed 40 games in his first season with Utd with 24 being starts and 2355 minutes played (averages about 60 mins per game).

So far this season Mudryk has made 3 appearances (66 minutes) all sub appearances, averaging about 22 minutes a game on the pitch. Last year he made 15 appearances for a total of 654 minutes in the league, averaging about 43 minutes on the pitch at a time. Can't find details on how many of these were starts but from memory the majority were being subbed on late into the game. 

I don't know how anyone can expect him to show much when he gets drip fed appearanceswhen we're already losing and a team is sat in a low block. Give the lad minutes and let him get some continuity, we lose anyway so not like it'll affect the team much. 

Poch: “You are on son - you have 9 minutes plus injury time to break down a deep West Ham defence, who are holding on to a lead, that we have not managed to create anything against in the previous 81mins - give em hell lad”

Mudryk: “oh bloody hell - not again”

 

 

There is a big enigma here and I do not agree that he is/will flop. Not a chance. For me he is pure quality and needs a lot of game time. 

He looked electric at the U21 Euro this summer and had a very good pre season with Chelsea. 

What has happened after the pre season? He is a marquee signing that can't get regular starts and I blame it on the coaching staff and their false start in terms of tactics. 

I get that their plans might have taken a knock once Nkunku got injured, but even so, why shift to a three at the back all of a sudden and play so many defenders and midfielders at the same time? 

The current tactics are totally wrong IMHO and Pochettino should act fast. Revert to a four at the back just like in pre season, put T. Silva and Gallagher on the bench and be brave and be more attacking. 

We could go for a 433 once Lavia is back, but until then Caicedo and Enzo are enough for the pivot and we could use Mudryk, Palmer and one of Sterling/Madueke to support Jackson up front. Chilwell and Gusto in their natural position and that's all. No need to overthink things and use this sh*tty 5-3-2 made 80% of defenders and midfielders. 

41 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Poch: “You are on son - you have 9 minutes plus injury time to break down a deep West Ham defence, who are holding on to a lead, that we have not managed to create anything against in the previous 81mins - give em hell lad”

Mudryk: “oh bloody hell - not again”

 

 

Of course it's tough for him. On the other hand though, he hasn't really done enough to merit another role atm. Professional football isn't a walk in the park. Can't play him because of his price tag only...

Edited September 5, 20232 yr by True Blue23

Nobody knows what he's like in training, one could argue we have 3 incompetent managers who have no idea how to play him, or he just hasn't impressed anyone. Looking at his lack of technical ability, maybe those managers have a point. He maybe great for a counter attacking team like WestHam or Forest, that would mean we signed a good but wrong player. Sure, 10 minutes cameo is tough, but you got at least put some effort in and make a bit of impression. Alternatively, go on loan for half a season and see if there's a revival.

45 minutes ago, True Blue23 said:

Of course it's tough for him. On the other hand though, he hasn't really done enough to merit another role atm. Professional football isn't a walk in the park. Can't play him because of his price tag only...

Other than Sterling, who actually has done enough to merit a starting role out wide? We've got Chilwell doing it atm ffs. So difficult for a player to prove anything with 20 minute cameos when the team is losing. He's getting Mourinho's Salah/KDB treatment atm. 

45 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Other than Sterling, who actually has done enough to merit a starting role out wide? We've got Chilwell doing it atm ffs. So difficult for a player to prove anything with 20 minute cameos when the team is losing. He's getting Mourinho's Salah/KDB treatment atm. 

Fair enough, the other options haven't showered themselves in glory either. He was also a bit unfortunate with his injury before the Luton game, because he surely would have started in the Carabao Cup. But atm I'd start Madueke over Mudryk and move Sterling to the left. He's not ahead by a huge margin in my book though.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So far this season Mudryk has made 3 appearances (66 minutes) all sub appearances, averaging about 22 minutes a game on the pitch. Last year he made 15 appearances for a total of 654 minutes in the league, averaging about 43 minutes on the pitch at a time. Can't find details on how many of these were starts but from memory the majority were being subbed on late into the game. 

You forgot to mention those sub appearances were probably all high pressure situations. 

Absolute charity minutes. 

The problem with how he's being used, is that with only a few minutes at a time on the pitch, he's in the situation where every time he gets the ball it's probably his ONLY chance to shine. Hence all the added pressure, on top of the price tag, and all the the b*llsh*t about how he's failing, and not good enough. It will be interesting to see what happens in the England v Ukraine game.

2 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

 Sure, 10 minutes cameo is tough, but you got at least put some effort in and make a bit of impression. 

I think it's fair to blame Mudryk for a lot of things so far, but effort is not his problem at all. Don't know about training, but when on the field he's trying, not shying away, it's just not coming off for different reasons. He even tried a spectacular/desperate shot against Forest when no one would take a f**king chance, had that not been blocked by Yates it could have been a screamer (or sure, it could have gone to the stands).

Point is he's trying with his limited minutes, and I'd rather have him trying some absurd stuff there than wasting Colwill at LB and Chilly being lost as a winger when in pre-season they were both good at their regular roles as CB and LB respectively. 

4 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Poch: “You are on son - you have 9 minutes plus injury time to break down a deep West Ham defence, who are holding on to a lead, that we have not managed to create anything against in the previous 81mins - give em hell lad”

Mudryk: “oh bloody hell - not again”

 

 

This is actually a very good point. We always bring on Mudryk when we try to break down a team parking the bus. This is not what he is good at. 

If United can keep playing Sancho and Anthony depsite them doing nothing then I don't see why we can't do the same with Mudryk.

1 minute ago, Remodez said:

If United can keep playing Sancho and Anthony depsite them doing nothing then I don't see why we can't do the same with Mudryk.

Has continously playing Sancho and Antony actually helped United?

Just now, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Has continously playing Sancho and Antony actually helped United?

No but it hasn't hindered them as their other options aren't very good either. Very similar to us. 

Difference is United are giving them chances to play into form, we bench Mudryk and he's rarely seen again.