9 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Yes they should. But they won't be.

They will imo. The Mudryk ordeal alone will get one of them sacked. 

Poch's spineless response after the game about the two stonewall penalties is a disgrace, he really is Potter v2

26 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Disappointed he didn't fire shots at the FA from what I'm hearing he just brushed it under the carpet and mentioned we weren't good enough. I'm sorry but, if we do not call out the injustice for what it is....blatant favouritism then nothing will change. 

The league is corrupt, they do not want City to win mark my words, people are joking saying they will do everything to make sure Klopp leaves with another league title. I don't hink it is a joke.The integrity of the game has long been in question. The Barca game 15 years ago told us all we need to know. If you're not part of their script you are not winning the game.

Why have rules if you're not going to enforce them, I will eagerly await when referee have to explain their var decisions. However sadly I still don't think it will make the game any better we will only have an "explanation" as to why certain decisions were made and the rationales may be more vexing than the actual decisions. 

What will he achieve doing that though, managers have kicked off in the media before and it gets them nowhere. You either get mocked and ridiculed by the wider media or they agree but rebuff it because ‘Liverpool were the better team anyway’

He’d get a fine and a suspension and gain nothing but a few Twitter followers creaming that he’s ‘proper chels’ like when potter said ‘we’re gonna win the f**king champions league’.

And if anyone thinks there’s some fantasy world where we end up getting a decision or two to even it up, you’ve no chance. We’re mid table, mediocre and unimportant for now.

5 minutes ago, Niall1905 said:

What will he achieve doing that though, managers have kicked off in the media before and it gets them nowhere. You either get mocked and ridiculed by the wider media or they agree but rebuff it because ‘Liverpool were the better team anyway’

He’d get a fine and a suspension and gain nothing but a few Twitter followers creaming that he’s ‘proper chels’ like when potter said ‘we’re gonna win the f**king champions league’.

And if anyone thinks there’s some fantasy world where we end up getting a decision or two to even it up, you’ve no chance. We’re mid table, mediocre and unimportant for now.

I have to agree. For some reason I remember last January Wolves were totally shafted by reffing at Anfield, and Lopetegui was livid in his comments afterwards. Didn't do them any good at all. Other way around of course...

35 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I've never seen such negligence in the workplace go unpunished. These men are stealing a living. Remember the other guy from RB Leipzig who helped bring Nkunku in and pushed for Nagelsmann as head coach alongside actual reputable players.

When he left I knew it was a big red flag as he seemed to actually know what he was doing.  Supposedly there was a feeling that there wasn't anything for him to do because these two clowns were in full control over player acquisitions. He was continuing clashing with them over the directon of the club etc.

I knew it at the time but surely retrospectively it's clear as day we backed the wrong horse(s). Christopher Vivell was his name just looked him up so he was out sporting director and we chose the two Brighton clowns to have full control. It really is a circus at this club. He was our TT of sports directors and we failed him like we failed our elite coach.

They want yes men mate.

Don't want a sporting director with a spine or manager with bottle.

They want Winstanley, Stewart and Poch.

35 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

They will imo. The Mudryk ordeal alone will get one of them sacked. 

Time will tell, let's see.

Make no mistake, we will see the same pitiful performance away at the Ethiad and at the Emirates. Carbon copies of Old Trafford and Anfield. 
 

By March we will be begging for the season to finish. I already am. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Make no mistake, we will see the same pitiful performance away at the Ethiad and at the Emirates. Carbon copies of Old Trafford and Anfield. 
 

By March we will be begging for the season to finish. I already am. 

Tonight was really bad but I’d be astounded if Poch got sacked.

I get and agree with some of the criticisms but he needs time. At no point in the season so far has he had anything close to his first eleven. He’s been lucky to have 7 or 8 start a game imo.

A style of play develops when you get a settled 11. 

Poch has to answer for mistakes too. It’s never a good sign when he can’t just decide on a CB pairing. Any successful team including Chelsea over the years has had a fairly settled centre of defence. 
Most games this season I’ve had no idea who would be playing there. Too many changes! The 4 forward positions have been exactly the same. Even guys who’ve played a lot like Palmer and Sterling end up playing a different position from one week to the next.
 

Still back the manager although that was terrible tonight but he’s got to be judged when we’ve got close to a full squad fit.

I’d be very interested if he was trying to get a striker last summer. If he thought we were fine with what we had then I’d be questioning how he could think that. I get the feeling if he’d had more control of the transfers we’d be in a much better place.

Id be sacking everyone involved with our transfer policy before I sacked Poch to be honest. That’s who has us where we are not the msnager 

 

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

I've never seen such negligence in the workplace go unpunished. These men are stealing a living. Remember the other guy from RB Leipzig who helped bring Nkunku in and pushed for Nagelsmann as head coach alongside actual reputable players.

When he left I knew it was a big red flag as he seemed to actually know what he was doing.  Supposedly there was a feeling that there wasn't anything for him to do because these two clowns were in full control over player acquisitions. He was continuing clashing with them over the directon of the club etc.

I knew it at the time but surely retrospectively it's clear as day we backed the wrong horse(s). Christopher Vivell was his name just looked him up so he was out sporting director and we chose the two Brighton clowns to have full control. It really is a circus at this club. He was our TT of sports directors and we failed him like we failed our elite coach.

Was Vivell I think who brought in Nkunku. he was shown the door for a reason that was never fully explained. The impression was that he got ousted in a power grab:

Chelsea place technical director Christopher Vivell on gardening leave | Chelsea | The Guardian

21 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Make no mistake, we will see the same pitiful performance away at the Ethiad and at the Emirates. Carbon copies of Old Trafford and Anfield. 
 

By March we will be begging for the season to finish. I already am. 

We've been largely diabolical away from home all season. Putting aside the Spurs game which was a really unusual match, we've managed a couple of wins against struggling teams, but have lost 6 of our 10 away games this season in the league. Don't really see that pattern changing either. Villa up next on the road in the cup could be another ugly one.

Lose like this is very damaging, the only upside so far of Poch over Potter is he got a few results against City, Arsenal and Spurs. Now, we got this just after that awful United game 🙄 I'm not promoting his sacking, but he certainly put himself under more pressure with performance like this.

Awful, just awful.  The team was beaten before they even walked out.  Not enough player development and progression for me. 

How can we continue to be so flat in big games.  They are young, naive and lack experience, which we know will cost us.  But the least you can expect them to do is match the other teams effort.  Reminds me of the Utd game, or Wolves, or Newcastle, or Everton.

2 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

What will he achieve doing that though, managers have kicked off in the media before and it gets them nowhere. You either get mocked and ridiculed by the wider media or they agree but rebuff it because ‘Liverpool were the better team anyway’

He’d get a fine and a suspension and gain nothing but a few Twitter followers creaming that he’s ‘proper chels’ like when potter said ‘we’re gonna win the f**king champions league’.

And if anyone thinks there’s some fantasy world where we end up getting a decision or two to even it up, you’ve no chance. We’re mid table, mediocre and unimportant for now.

Couldnt disagree more

1) The reason Tierney refused to give anything to us was the outrage liverpool caused when he didnt give a red card in their previous game.. The PGMOL are incompetent and all top coaches will always try to influence these refs to get something in a game of fine margins..  We didnt get a single 50/50 and Tierney was a man on mission.

2) Pochetino should have gone for it against the refree if nothing else would have protected his players from the criticism they are getting now. Thats the bare minimum they can expect from a coach.

 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Arsenal sacked the bloke responsible for the Pepe ordeal. 
 

Stewart and Winstanley should be held just as accountable as Poch. 

Absolutely agree with this but it won't happen because they are implementing a flawed strategy from above.

I have thought for a long time that we probably went the wrong route where these clowns should have been bombed and Vivell kept on to implement the strategy he was hired for.

5 hours ago, ozboy said:

Maybe not but there are plenty of examples of managers who come in and do change things pretty quickly. The best example recently is Emery at Villa. Tuchel came in here and changed things around quickly.

No matter what you think of the players there are strategies and tactics and selections that will get the most out of them. Personally I don't think Poch is getting the most out of what he has to work with. It's the gutlessness that is the most depressing. The team is picked to avoid losing. 

If you want drastic change you have to change the player. 

That is what TT did. Lamp tried to phase out jorgi, azpi and try to incorporate 8 attackers that he had. 

TT basically said f this. Brought back the old guys and played only 3 attacker. 

In our case right now, there is only one senior player player who could have started today (murdyk). The rest could not start due to injury. 

Hate to say this but Poch is a coward.

From the way he sets up the team, to the way he talks in interviews, pure cowardice that also seeps into the players.

I've backed him but the disgraceful and shameful displays away to United, Newcastle, Everton and Liverpool, he's done for me. He's a scared man when he goes away to a "hostile" ground and it shows in the team. Both Poch and the players have no balls. Cowards the lot of them.

Thinking about how young a lot of the team and squad are - what you get with youth is inconsistency.

But that's where the coach earns his money. Klopp has played a fair few youngsters this season and they know what they are doing and will run through brick walls for the toothy c**t.

I just don't see much in the way of progress and we constantly look like 11 individuals - some of whom are not good enough to be playing in the PL. It's a mess and I can't see Pochettino fixing it.

 

Nobody expects us to be champions, I even accepted the fact that we won't have European competition next season... But like everyone else, some progress is needed.

So much money was spent, not much work was done unfortunately. It's disappointing to watch us...

6 hours ago, Niall1905 said:

What will he achieve doing that though, managers have kicked off in the media before and it gets them nowhere. You either get mocked and ridiculed by the wider media or they agree but rebuff it because ‘Liverpool were the better team anyway’

 

Since Klopp kicked off about Tierney and VAR they have had a ridiculous amount of decisions go there way, so I`m not sure thats right.

8 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

I don't see the point in sacking Poch now (nobody will join us mid season), but I'd be very surprised if he was still in a job by next summer

I'll Join Mid Season, I Ain't Afraid Of Any Sacking That Would Probably Come My Way

Reading some of these comments it's easy to forget that we were playing the strongest team in the league, away, at night, when they are pumped up due to their manager announcing he's leaving. 

We got turned over. It happens. Brighton had a worse result than us this week with their amazing manager. 

I'm not a fan of Poch but this isn't the game to judge him on.

Also I didn't actually think the Gallagher foul was a pen. The Nkunku one was a stone wall though. 

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by bisright1

15 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Reading some of these comments it's easy to forget that we were playing the strongest team in the league, away, at night, when they are pumped up due to their manager announcing he's leaving. 

We got turned over. It happens. Brighton had a worse result than us this week with their amazing manager. 

I'm not a fan of Poch but this isn't the game to judge him on.

Also I didn't actually think the Gallagher foul was a pen. The Nkunku one was a stone wall though. 

What can we judge him on them? How about the games away to United, Everton, Newcastle and Middlesborough? Or how about the home games to Forest, Villa and Brentford? Should we forget about all those as well because I'm sure there's excuses for all of them.

Brighton are playing their first season of European football and have had to juggle that into their fixtures. But guess what, they're still above us in the table.

15 minutes ago, I am a CPA said:

What can we judge him on them? How about the games away to United, Everton, Newcastle and Middlesborough? Or how about the home games to Forest, Villa and Brentford? Should we forget about all those as well because I'm sure there's excuses for all of them.

Brighton are playing their first season of European football and have had to juggle that into their fixtures. But guess what, they're still above us in the table.

Like I said, I'm not a fan of Poch. I'm just highlighting that this isn't the game to hang him on. Games like the ones coming up against to Wolves and also the final, those are the ones. 

We have been improving. We're in a cup final and have won 4 games on the bounce at home. We seem to be now beating teams we couldn't unlock before, even if we look pretty rubbish doing it. 

Brighton have been getting worse. They've won like 3 in 12 or something silly. 

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by bisright1

9 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

The majority of the sub thought we would finish in the top 4 this year on the pre-season forum.

 

Given that we didn't have European football unlike our rivals, the hundreds of millions we spent this season on top of last season, and the fact that we had a manager that was supposed to be better than Potter (who also had a full pre-season), I don't think it was that unrealistic an expectation.

Most of this forum expected top 4? I don't think that's true, I'm sure most voted outside of the top 4 when the poll was happening. I voted 6th and that was me being very optimistic, when Nkunku was out for 6 months that made me wind back my expectations even more as I knew we were in for a tricky season. 

Also as I've said previously, this is not a Lampard -> Tuchel situation. Tuchel had Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, Rudiger, Silva, Giroud. Settled experienced figureheads. Even the likes of Mount and James had already a season under their belt and looked promising under Lampard. Tuchel did an amazing job and I'll always love him to death for it but no manager is going to turn all these players who have barely played together into superstars overnight and you're delusional if you genuinely believe that. 

Edited February 1, 20242 yr by Victor90