I wonder if we all are being abit biased because he came through the ranks?

If we signed him stead I imagine he’d get a lot more abuse. I’m so happy a youth player has finally broke into the first team but it is worrying about how frequent he makes suicidal mistakes. 

I think give him time, but if he carries on making mistakes then I’m afraid we have to accept he’s a liability. I really hope we don’t come to that situation!

10 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I wonder if we all are being abit biased because he came through the ranks?

If we signed him stead I imagine he’d get a lot more abuse. I’m so happy a youth player has finally broke into the first team but it is worrying about how frequent he makes suicidal mistakes. 

I think give him time, but if he carries on making mistakes then I’m afraid we have to accept he’s a liability. I really hope we don’t come to that situation!

I honestly cant remember a mistake from him before the Barça game. give him time, he is just going through a poor run of form

 

I honestly cant remember a mistake from him before the Barça game. give him time, he is just going through a poor run of form
 

Correct. He's still been flawless for most of the season. Even someone as great as JT had similar patches. Just give him time.

I really fear for him being at the back against Barcelona, they'll know to pressurise him even more if they've watched him in his last 4 games. 

Do we play him and risk that chance or do we sit him out and let down his confidence? 

He Reminds me of Pique, just more solid, going to be our Next Captain no doubt..

5 hours ago, Slojo said:

I really fear for him being at the back against Barcelona, they'll know to pressurise him even more if they've watched him in his last 4 games. 

Do we play him and risk that chance or do we sit him out and let down his confidence? 

If he is on a good day, even better for us, because as we have seen before, he is usually very good at passing out of a press, which can create some space for us to exploit

16 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

I wonder if we all are being abit biased because he came through the ranks?

If we signed him stead I imagine he’d get a lot more abuse. I’m so happy a youth player has finally broke into the first team but it is worrying about how frequent he makes suicidal mistakes. 

I think give him time, but if he carries on making mistakes then I’m afraid we have to accept he’s a liability. I really hope we don’t come to that situation!

No, i don't think so. 

It's not just Christensen with this problem, it's all of them. How many times a game do we pass it around our penalty area and lose the ball? it happens every game. Cahill does it, Moses does it, Rudiger does it, Azpilicueta does it, Alonso does it, Kante does it, Fabregas does it, Willian does it..........you get my point. They all do it.

It's clearly a tactic problem. If all of players are struggling with it, then it's the system that isn't working for them. Maybe they aren't getting enough support when passing out of defence, maybe they aren't passing it quick enough, whatever it is it is something that has been going on all season and Conte hasn't managed to iron it out. I don't understand why we are persisting with it.

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7 hours ago, Slojo said:

I really fear for him being at the back against Barcelona, they'll know to pressurise him even more if they've watched him in his last 4 games. 

Do we play him and risk that chance or do we sit him out and let down his confidence? 

I think if he got dropped it would do him the world of good. Think at the minute he feels like he won't get dropped, so maybe he has become a little complacent. He's only a rookie so he's still learning. 

47 minutes ago, Famous CFC said:

I think if he got dropped it would do him the world of good. Think at the minute he feels like he won't get dropped, so maybe he has become a little complacent. He's only a rookie so he's still learning. 

I have to disagree. His overall performances don’t indicate complacency to me. He has the potential to be a brilliant defender - he’s getting there but there’s no shortcut to the lessons that can only be learnt from playing matches against tough opponents. He will learn much more from playing against Barcelona than by watching from the bench.

3 hours ago, bluedave said:

I have to disagree. His overall performances don’t indicate complacency to me. He has the potential to be a brilliant defender - he’s getting there but there’s no shortcut to the lessons that can only be learnt from playing matches against tough opponents. He will learn much more from playing against Barcelona than by watching from the bench.

I think he could with sitting out a game but he should play against Barca but then maybe swap him out for Ampadu for the FA Cup game. Back in to the team for Tottenham after the international break. 

If Luiz was fit maybe he wouldn’t have been played so much?

He needs a spell out of the side but the trouble is Luiz is out, for whatever reason. Let's not mess about, Christensen is nowhere near Luiz' level of last season, nowhere near, nor should he be, considering he's young and Luiz was a monster last season. The trouble with Christensen is not so much the recent mistakes, but the way he gets bullied. He's nowhere near tough or brave enough, physically. Against Palace, he was totally dominated in the air, and you can't afford that in the English game. I think he'll improve in this respect but he needs a bit of time. He's neither big, strong or fast, and for that reason he's going to have to learn to be cuter.

Edited March 11, 20188 yr by Davey Baby

11 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

Let's not mess about, Christensen is nowhere near Luiz' level of last season, nowhere near, nor should he be, considering he's young and Luiz was a monster last season. The trouble is neither is Luiz.

And that from someone who is a huge Luiz fan.  But agree with everything else, @Davey Baby

19 hours ago, bluedave said:

I have to disagree. His overall performances don’t indicate complacency to me. He has the potential to be a brilliant defender - he’s getting there but there’s no shortcut to the lessons that can only be learnt from playing matches against tough opponents. He will learn much more from playing against Barcelona than by watching from the bench.

But are we ready to sacrifice our tiny chance to get something out of that tie just to help him learn? Let's be honest, he's made a number of crucial errors in a number of key games for us and it cost the team dearly.

There's no question in my mind that people keep taking it easy on Christensen because they're desperately want the CFC youngster to succeed. If he was bought, many here would scream for him to be sent to the bench.

Andreas is a talent, of that I have no doubt. But I also see some worrying signs. Making occasional mistakes is normal, especially since he's still young and learning, but when it keeps happening every game it makes you wonder if there are other issues involved, apart from lack of experience.

Edited March 12, 20188 yr by abramovich

17 minutes ago, abramovich said:

But are we ready to sacrifice our tiny chance to get something out of that tie just to help him learn? Let's be honest, he's made a number of crucial errors in a number of key games for us and it cost the team dearly.

There's no question in my mind that people keep taking it easy on Christensen because they're desperately want the CFC youngster to succeed. If he was bought, many here would scream for him to be sent to the bench.

Andreas is a talent, of that I have no doubt. But I also see some worrying signs. Making occasional mistakes is normal, especially since he's still young and learning, but when it keeps happening every game it makes you wonder if there are other issues involved, apart from lack of experience.

I would personally carry on playing him through this. He knows he has to iron these errors out of his game and what better time than now in what is already pretty much a "write-off" season. I would rather he learns from this now and we get the benefit next season and beyond than drop him.

What's the alternative - bring in Cahill? No thanks. 

 

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

If he was bought, many here would scream for him to be sent to the bench.

If he was playing for another club and mentioned as a possible purchase, many in here would be screaming about the critical mistakes as a reason not to buy him.

36 minutes ago, Nibs said:

I would personally carry on playing him through this. He knows he has to iron these errors out of his game and what better time than now in what is already pretty much a "write-off" season. I would rather he learns from this now and we get the benefit next season and beyond than drop him.

What's the alternative - bring in Cahill? No thanks. 

 

I'd have to disagree about the 'write-off' part. We're in a desperate fight for a top four spot and our current chances aren't looking good, which makes each of our remaining 8 games a must win. We're also still involved  in two cup competitions, and while our chances in the CL don't look promising, we have to keep fighting as long as there's hope.

We just cannot afford any passengers in these type of games. Morata needs to stop being a petulant teenage girl and become a man, Bakayoko has to remind himself that he's a professional footballer and not a random drunk who stumbled onto a pitch by mistake and Christensen has to realize that his position requires being fully concentrated from the first second to the final whistle.

1 hour ago, abramovich said:

I'd have to disagree about the 'write-off' part. We're in a desperate fight for a top four spot and our current chances aren't looking good, which makes each of our remaining 8 games a must win. We're also still involved  in two cup competitions, and while our chances in the CL don't look promising, we have to keep fighting as long as there's hope.

We just cannot afford any passengers in these type of games. Morata needs to stop being a petulant teenage girl and become a man, Bakayoko has to remind himself that he's a professional footballer and not a random drunk who stumbled onto a pitch by mistake and Christensen has to realize that his position requires being fully concentrated from the first second to the final whistle.

Although I appreciate what you are saying, I think we have had too much short-sightedness at our club and that's why I would stick by Christensen now to hopefully pay dividends long-term.

I might rest him if we had a good alternative like City have had the luxury of doing with Stones but we don't. Bakayoko has been rightly benched as we do have a few more options in midfield but with Christensen it is a bit like Courtois. He's let a number of soft goals in of late but I don't hear too many calling for Cabellero.

  

We just played Barca, Citeh, Manyoo. Our three toughest back to back games of the season. I prefer not to judge him on those three games, it's not taking into consideration all the good work he's already done for us this season. Lets face it, we could of let in a hat full of goals in those three games, four over 270 minutes against that kind of quality opposition isn't terrible for a young inexperienced defender.

7 hours ago, abramovich said:

But are we ready to sacrifice our tiny chance to get something out of that tie just to help him learn? Let's be honest, he's made a number of crucial errors in a number of key games for us and it cost the team dearly.

There's no question in my mind that people keep taking it easy on Christensen because they're desperately want the CFC youngster to succeed. If he was bought, many here would scream for him to be sent to the bench.

Andreas is a talent, of that I have no doubt. But I also see some worrying signs. Making occasional mistakes is normal, especially since he's still young and learning, but when it keeps happening every game it makes you wonder if there are other issues involved, apart from lack of experience.

But they are all making the same mistakes. We have seen it all season. You take Christensen out and put somebody else in there and the problem won't go away. It's like i have been saying, the only difference between Christensen's mistakes and the others is that Christensen's led to goals being scored against us. The others have been fortunate that their mistakes haven't been punished in the same way. The whole team can't cope with being closed down high up the pitch, we have been struggling all season with it.

Edited March 12, 20188 yr by Scott Harris

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

But they are all making the same mistakes. We have seen it all season. You take Christensen out and put somebody else in there and the problem won't go away. It's like i have been saying, the only difference between Christensen's mistakes and the others is that Christensen's led to goals being scored against us. The others have been fortunate that their mistakes haven't been punished in the same way. The whole team can't cope with being closed down high up the pitch, we have been struggling all season with it.

There's a difference between a naive mistake and a mistake simply down to misfortune imho. For me Christensen's mistakes are the former, they could be avoided, i.e. Christensen could have prevented a problem at source by clearing the long ball (knock down?) into Aguero for City's goal. It's a lack of situational intelligence simple as, something JT at 21 had in abundance.

Edited March 12, 20188 yr by the special one

4 hours ago, coco said:

We just played Barca, Citeh, Manyoo. Our three toughest back to back games of the season. I prefer not to judge him on those three games, it's not taking into consideration all the good work he's already done for us this season. Lets face it, we could of let in a hat full of goals in those three games, four over 270 minutes against that kind of quality opposition isn't terrible for a young inexperienced defender.

To a degree, however, as a mature, inexperienced player, he will know that he has been at the root of a number of the conceded goals. Do we not have a responsibility to ensure that his confidence is not further eroded as the spotlight is constantly on us at the moment.

Andreas Christensen sought John Terry advice after dip in form at Chelsea
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/19/andreas-christensen-sought-john-terry-advice-after-dip-in-form-mistakes-chelsea

Still think we should bring in someone like Albiol this summer, but fwiw I thought he was impressive yesterday.

4 minutes ago, the special one said:

Andreas Christensen sought John Terry advice after dip in form at Chelsea
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/19/andreas-christensen-sought-john-terry-advice-after-dip-in-form-mistakes-chelsea

Still think we should bring in someone like Albiol this summer, but fwiw I thought he was impressive yesterday.

Yes I thought he played well yesterday and noticed he was confident enough to come forward from the back when the game slowed after their equaliser.

Interesting comment about a smaller talk with JT.

3 hours ago, the special one said:

Andreas Christensen sought John Terry advice after dip in form at Chelsea
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/19/andreas-christensen-sought-john-terry-advice-after-dip-in-form-mistakes-chelsea

Still think we should bring in someone like Albiol this summer, but fwiw I thought he was impressive yesterday.

He broke his streak of making one bad mistake every game yesterday. 

I think we are almost certain to have a new manager next season and we have CBs for him to evaluate, maybe Luiz and Zouma can be in contention, I don't think we necessarily have to buy CBs especially if we go back to a 4.
We got assets in that department and I'd much rather we focus our funds on other key areas.

4 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

He broke his streak of making one bad mistake every game yesterday. 

I think we are almost certain to have a new manager next season and we have CBs for him to evaluate, maybe Luiz and Zouma can be in contention, I don't think we necessarily have to buy CBs especially if we go back to a 4.
We got assets in that department and I'd much rather we focus our funds on other key areas.

I see this time and time again, people equate a bad mistake as something that results in a goal for the other team, whereby if that same mistake resulted in no goal due to a great save by our keeper and/or a terrible shot by the other team, or something else, the so-called 'bad mistake' is entirely forgotten and not considered a bad mistake at all.  Now, I do not recall if Christensen has such a mistake that could have resulted in a goal for Leicester but did not (I am fairly sure he did not).