1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

Sarri is wrong because the pressure isn't being put on Hudson-Odoi, the pressure is on Sarri to play him. The fans accept that Hudson-Odoi won't be perfect at his age, pretty much everybody has accepted that he will make mistakes 

They will accept it until he starts actually making mistakes, look at how people turned against Christensen when he had a patchy month last season.

32 minutes ago, Argo said:

They will accept it until he starts actually making mistakes, look at how people turned against Christensen when he had a patchy month last season.

I can't speak for all the other fans, but I doubt I'm alone in when I say I think we can expect better patience when it comes to a true Chelsea youth product (with us since the age of 6, and not 15/16 which is still good but CHO has literally been Chelsea since he could run a field and kick a ball) who is still only 18 and not in his 20's...........and if not then those fans can go do one because many of us want to see one of our own make it here in a big way as hasn't happened since Terry.  Many of us are willing to see the mistakes it will take to make it there, or to prove that he will not.

I'd also point out that as CFC fans our expectations of a CB are pretty stellar, but CHO can thank certain wingers for dampening our expectations in those roles....so that's a plus for him lol.

 

then again, I don't think I turned on Christensen so I probably can't speak at all for those who did....... But I'd much rather see CHO fail here than succeed elsewhere.

5 hours ago, Argo said:

They will accept it until he starts actually making mistakes, look at how people turned against Christensen when he had a patchy month last season.

It was only a small section of fans that turned on him. People were annoyed at the mistakes, as anybody would be, but it's not like the majority were saying he should be dropped and never play again. A lot of people have even been asking for him to return to the first 11 again.

A bit of crazy talk from me, but given our transfer ban in the summer looking very likely, and our dearth of options at striker next season..........what if we tried CHO there?

Not sure if his movement is good enough, but he has everything else in his locker. Could be a Dries Mertens type of moment?

CHO + Abraham for strikers next season!

You can’t improve when you’re sitting on the bench. 

To quote that he has played 16 games is just outright pathetic. NOBODY said he needs to start every game, but ffs 10 min here and there is a slap in the face and quite frankly embarrassing. It takes you 10min to get the feel for a game. 

He has certainly made the most of his limited minutes, here’s one for you, maybe if Sarri played him more, earlier on in the season we might not be in this situation to begin with. 

We have been a very staled team this season, players like Willian and Pedro are comfortable. I can’t imagine how an injection of youth and extra enthusiasm would be a negative. At the very least it would’ve put more pressure on the rest of the team to perform, after seeing a teenager out perform you.

Either play him or ffs sell him, just don’t waste his talent. 

Since Bayscum can't get CHO, they are now looking at Nicolas Pepe

 

19 hours ago, Argo said:

Apart from Bate and Huddersfield all of his appearances have come either from the start or from the bench with the game far from over. Even if you're only on for ten minutes, if you are coming on to help defend a lead or see out a game it's still a big ten minutes.

He's certainly had more significant game time than say Foden who only really gets brought on when the game is safe, and he's constantly used as an example of how it should be done with CHO.

Foden has had more games and minutes though, and City are the ones who are challenging for the title, we've got two ageing wingers who've been average all season and he's not had a Premier League start or barely any minutes. 

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

Foden has had more games and minutes though, and City are the ones who are challenging for the title, we've got two ageing wingers who've been average all season and he's not had a Premier League start or barely any minutes.

What type of minutes? Most of them are the token ten of the bench that someone a few posts back sayis "embarrassing" in the case of Callum.

A Wembley semi final against Spurs alongside being brought on in the final with the score goalless trump's any minutes Foden has had, infact even his appearances against Watford and Newcastle trump Foden's league minutes in terms of significance, has Foden actually ever been brought on by Pep in a league game with the result still in the balance?

Now I'm not denying he should have played a bit more (Europa GS especially), what I am contesting is this notion that we have treated him like sh*t, which I'm sorry is just wrong on many levels. Any other club gave a youngster the same minutes they would be getting praised regardless of the subplots surrounding him.

If there's any youngster that could be a bit miffed about game time it's Ampadu, CHO will likely end the season on about 20 appearances which for perspective is more than Messi got at the same stage of his career. 

Edited March 9, 20197 yr by Argo

7 hours ago, Argo said:

 

Now I'm not denying he should have played a bit more (Europa GS especially), what I am contesting is this notion that we have treated him like sh*t, which I'm sorry is just wrong on many levels. Any other club gave a youngster the same minutes they would be getting praised regardless of the subplots surrounding him.

If there's any youngster that could be a bit miffed about game time it's Ampadu, CHO will likely end the season on about 20 appearances which for perspective is more than Messi got at the same stage of his career. 

Rooney at around the age of 18 played over 30 games, Owen at the age of 18 had over 30 games,  Beckham played over 30 games at around 20 years old, Bale at 17 had over 35 games in the league. All those are maybe the biggest English stars in the last 20 years or so.

The club didn't care to give Hudson-Odoi any fair chance before Bayern openly said that they want to sign him so I do think that he was treated like sh*t, and now he has taken all his chances and had scored and made assists as well, for others just putting up a brave face and making 2 successful dribbles is enough, what else does he need to do in order to start a game against a weak opposition? No excuse.

7 hours ago, Argo said:

CHO will likely end the season on about 20 appearances which for perspective is more than Messi got at the same stage of his career. 

20 appearances doesn't mean anything without context. Most of those appearances are a few minutes towards the end of the games.

Hudson Odoi isn't happy with that and neither would anyone be if they were a talent of that standard. Which is also the reason why we will likely lose him this summer to a club that will show proper faith in him.

14 minutes ago, Sindre said:

20 appearances doesn't mean anything without context. Most of those appearances are a few minutes towards the end of the games.

Hudson Odoi isn't happy with that and neither would anyone be if they were a talent of that standard. Which is also the reason why we will likely lose him this summer to a club that will show proper faith in him.

Actually no only a few of them have been token minutes at the end of games already won. If you want a name of a player who only gets a token ten minutes, look no further than Phil Foden, and City are getting praised to the hilt for the way they have handled him.

40 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Rooney at around the age of 18 played over 30 games, Owen at the age of 18 had over 30 games,  Beckham played over 30 games at around 20 years old, Bale at 17 had over 35 games in the league. All those are maybe the biggest English stars in the last 20 years or so.

Yes, and there's also examples like CR7, Messi who had similar appearances at the same age, or the likes of Scholes, Iniesta and Pedro who were still awaiting their debuts (I think).

This isn't a one size fits all.

22 minutes ago, Argo said:

Actually no only a few of them have been token minutes at the end of games already won. If you want a name of a player who only gets a token ten minutes, look no further than Phil Foden, and City are getting praised to the hilt for the way they have handled him.

Foden have started seven games for City this season though, CHO have started five times.

And lets be honest, Foden is competing against world class players. CHO is being kept out of the team by largely underperforming wingers which adds to the frustration.

 

 

2 hours ago, Argo said:

 

Yes, and there's also examples like CR7, Messi who had similar appearances at the same age, or the likes of Scholes, Iniesta and Pedro who were still awaiting their debuts (I think).

This isn't a one size fits all.

I agree, so you comparing CHO only to Messi and not to the biggest Premier League domestic stars in the last 20 years is not an argument. CHO should start more games and should have started against Dynamo Kiev that in their starting lineup has a few 19 year olds and several players under 23.

Foden got himself an appearance today, in Sarri's and some posters opinion that counts as an important appearance, Congratulations Foden 

Was a little loose with his short passes but did put in 2 nice crosses.  I was excited when he lined up to take a corner, thought he would be a good one to take those - then hits the first man.  Must be a Chelsea curse.

Never really got to have a 1v1 situation with a player, as soon as he has the ball someone is on his back and another one is coming to close down the space. Had he started the game maybe he would have had a nice opportunity to get used to the game and put in more crosses.

19 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Never really got to have a 1v1 situation with a player, as soon as he has the ball someone is on his back and another one is coming to close down the space. Had he started the game maybe he would have had a nice opportunity to get used to the game and put in more crosses.

The times he did get 1v1, he took his man on and put a dangerous ball into the box. The one after we scored should have had a striker running onto, that was a brilliant cross.

I thought he struggled a bit going forward, and ironically had his best moments tracking back. 

Should be a shoe-in for first XI if he's poor going forward but hangs back more ?

CHO and RLC need 90 mins week in week out then we will see how good they are. What we got to lose

Anyone who listened to Glen Hoddle's comments on B T Sport on Thursday against Kiev regarding CHO will probably realise he was spot on.

this video link at 1:42 contains some very wise words from Hoddle.

 

 

Edited March 10, 20197 yr by just

2 minutes ago, the real shed end said:

CHO and RLC need 90 mins week in week out then we will see how good they are. What we got to lose

At this point? Nothing. If there were any questions about Chelsea making it into the top four they were answered today. We won't win the Europa League either, there are better sides than us still in the competition.

Just play on the youngsters and ship Sarri back to Italy when it's all over.

16 hours ago, abramovich said:

At this point? Nothing. If there were any questions about Chelsea making it into the top four they were answered today. We won't win the Europa League either, there are better sides than us still in the competition.

Just play on the youngsters and ship Sarri back to Italy when it's all over.

Man Utd also drew to Wolves at home and Spurs lost to Wolves at home. Does that mean that neither of those clubs will make the top 4 either?

10 minutes ago, DannyVblue said:

Man Utd also drew to Wolves at home and Spurs lost to Wolves at home. Does that mean that neither of those clubs will make the top 4 either?

Agreed, Wolves are the best side in the league against the top 6, judging our season off that game is a non-runner. It was always going to be a really tough game

17 hours ago, the real shed end said:

CHO and RLC need 90 mins week in week out then we will see how good they are. What we got to lose

Top 4 potentially.

He did some good things after he came on, the problem for him was there's nobody to aim his cross for in the box. We saw those Europa league games where he had either Morata or Giroud in the box, and he looked far more threatening. No brainer to play him in the Europa league return leg this week, got have the faith in him, RLC etc with 3 goals lead.