2 minutes ago, cuppaT said:

Which is never going to happen when every manager knows they’re getting sacked as soon as things go a bit south. Hence they may as well go for an early trophy with the best players then get a lovely pay off when the board and players spit their dummies out. 

Not sure you read my post. I said the board should be ensuring the managers are told that’s an expectation. So your first point wouldn’t happen.

 

second, best players? Willian and Pedro are bang average. CHO provides more when he starts for us. 

 

Luiz cannot defend, Christensen or Ampadu could do a better job. As for Alonso, Christ!

The problem is its the same sh*t every game. Us fans knew the team, style of play and subs, so obviously Utd knew exactly the same. Ok your tactics are not working and your 2 nil at half time, there are other options apart from the same sh*t subs every game. Why not try a 2 man midfield, have 2 men doing f**k all instead of 3, play 3 attacking players behind the front man. Why not bring on CHO, I guarantee if you bring him on at half time or at anytime it would have got the crowd going, a young Chelsea player who actually has pace and attacks. It's so predictable and boring and has been going on for 2-3 months now.

If fans see some improvement in play or even some willingness to change something apart from the obvious then they will defend the manager more. I just think the more stubborn you get the more your digging your own grave, I would rather not end up like Arsenal.

13 minutes ago, Snedger said:

But this isn’t watchable either. It’s boring as hell. It’s like a Corbyn-like cult praising this dross. We’ll be in the Championship before this guy can start to turn it around. Possibly the most certain thing is that we’re not spending our way to success any more and with Hazard and Odoi off at the end of the season we’ll be needing about 15 new signings in the summer. 

i dont think they are going to get it - These people have made up their mind that the board and the players are to blame and that Sarri is the best, might as well not even bother arguing with them. What you and i may call crap others may call abstract art. Might as well save our blood pressure. 

Definitely in, the man is an inspiration.

Can't get enough of those intricate passing combinations.

Just wake me up when one of them eventually leads to a goal.

3 minutes ago, brownindian said:

i dont think they are going to get it - These people have made up their mind that the board and the players are to blame and that Sarri is the best, might as well not even bother arguing with them. What you and i may call crap others may call abstract art. Might as well save our blood pressure. 

I think you're right. I don't disagree with the pro Sarri brigade in so much as it would be great if we could stick with a manager, but why this one out of all we've had? 15 minutes left, two goals down at home and you've got Odoi and Giroud on the bench, you take off a full back and send on...... a full back, and not a very good one either. I laughed when he made the comical Perdro/Willian and Kocacic/Barkley subs right on the usual times, but that last sub was the act of an idiot.

43 minutes ago, cuppaT said:

Until we’re back playing 10 behind the ball  against anyone with a transfer budget of above £50mil net spend wondering why we’re always the most agricultural “top” side. 

You say that but with Sarriball we rarely commit players forward in numbers beyond the player with the ball. This means we often only have one or two players in or around the opposition box for the ball to be delivered into. That is definitely something that is down to Sarri IMO. Contrast that with the amount of players City, Tottenham and Liverpool commit beyond the line of the ball into forward areas.

As someone who has defended Sarri up until now, I have to say I now think it’s over.that substitution probably seals the deal. I can’t defend that on any grounds, even azpi being injured (if that were the case, in a situation like that he should have brought an attacking player on, changed the formation - anything but that). as for the board, it can’t really tolerate a fan base in revolt can it? So the situation is untenable. Unfortunately the problems at Chelsea now run so deep I think that things are going to get worse for Chelsea before they get better, maybe a lot worse and for a looong time. A lot of you need to massively lower your expectations. Anyone who thinks a) Zidane will join Chelsea now, b) that he’d be a success if he did (ok he won stuff with Real Madrid [REAL MADRID - Ronaldo, Bale, Modric, Ramos, Marcelo... in the same team!]) is dreaming. I was wrong about Sarri. Hope I’m wrong about this too. 

Just get rid of him before it’s too late it’s evident he is a fraud 

27 minutes ago, Dean said:

As someone who has defended Sarri up until now, I have to say I now think it’s over.that substitution probably seals the deal. I can’t defend that on any grounds, even azpi being injured (if that were the case, in a situation like that he should have brought an attacking player on, changed the formation - anything but that). as for the board, it can’t really tolerate a fan base in revolt can it? So the situation is untenable. Unfortunately the problems at Chelsea now run so deep I think that things are going to get worse for Chelsea before they get better, maybe a lot worse and for a looong time. A lot of you need to massively lower your expectations. Anyone who thinks a) Zidane will join Chelsea now, b) that he’d be a success if he did (ok he won stuff with Real Madrid [REAL MADRID - Ronaldo, Bale, Modric, Ramos, Marcelo... in the same team!]) is dreaming. I was wrong about Sarri. Hope I’m wrong about this too. 

Exactly. This has the feel of the end of an era unfortunately. We can get rid of the manager but a pattern has been emerging the last few years and it is mostly heading in the wrong direction. Barring a significant investment managed by a true director of football I think we are headed for midtable in the next few seasons.

For those who slag off Sarri, here is a little story:

Two city brokers bumped into each other in a wine bar. Usual questions about jobs, families, mistresses, etc. Then one broker says he was lucky enough to buy an elephant recently, and he is absolutely ecstatic about his acquisition:  the elephant plays with children, carries water in his trunk and washes the cars, keeps the trees and bushes trimmed in the garden, an absolute delight.  Another broker goes: f**k me backwards! I want this elephant and I will gladly give you 1 million squid for it.  Done deal.

Two months later they meet at a party again. The fella who bought the elephant goes apesh*t: that f**king beast destroyed my garden, shat over the whole driveway, smashed all windows, wrecked my car and scares the sh*t out of my whole family!!!  What the f**k!!!!  The other bloke goes:  easy, pal, easy! With such attitude you'll never be able to sell it on.

My point is:  if we want to get rid of Sarri.....

3 minutes ago, Stas1 said:

For those who slag off Sarri, here is a little story:

Two city brokers bumped into each other in a wine bar. Usual questions about jobs, families, mistresses, etc. Then one broker says he was lucky enough to buy an elephant recently, and he is absolutely ecstatic about his acquisition:  the elephant plays with children, carries water in his trunk and washes the cars, keeps the trees and bushes trimmed in the garden, an absolute delight.  Another broker goes: f**k me backwards! I want this elephant and I will gladly give you 1 million squid for it.  Done deal.

Two months later they meet at a party again. The fella who bought the elephant goes apesh*t: that f**king beast destroyed my garden, shat over the whole driveway, smashed all windows, wrecked my car and scares the sh*t out of my whole family!!!  What the f**k!!!!  The other bloke goes:  easy, pal, easy! With such attitude you'll never be able to sell it on.

My point is:  if we want to get rid of Sarri.....

lol. I have no doubt that Sarri will have options in Italy if we let him go. However there is no way we can avoid paying him off at this point unless we plan to keep him around for the length of his contract

Im sure his vision would pay off long term, but not for our club. We cant change our DNA easily. 

Out. He's a clown who is too stubborn to change what everyone in the world can see isn't working. 

15 minutes ago, Semper Fi said:

Im sure his vision would pay off long term, but not for our club. We cant change our DNA easily. 

Agreed, and there's no point trying to play like City when we have Jorginho, Kovacic and Willian as opposed to Fernandinho, KDB and Sterling.

If we want to play this possession-heavy football we need players better suited to it, which means investment.

9 minutes ago, Jonty said:

Agreed, and there's no point trying to play like City when we have Jorginho, Kovacic and Willian as opposed to Fernandinho, KDB and Sterling.

If we want to play this possession-heavy football we need players better suited to it, which means investment.

The alternative is to find a manager that suits the players we do have. Problem is we have tried that too and failed. The next manager should build a team around the few players who still seem to care about the club plus the talented younger players. There are many players who are only a year or 2 away from the end of their contracts and should be sold in the summer.

1 hour ago, just said:

You say that but with Sarriball we rarely commit players forward in numbers beyond the player with the ball. This means we often only have one or two players in or around the opposition box for the ball to be delivered into. That is definitely something that is down to Sarri IMO. Contrast that with the amount of players City, Tottenham and Liverpool commit beyond the line of the ball into forward areas.

This is very true. I think it's also down to how slow and weak our defence is. We get torn apart on the break now, imagine the car crash of we actually had 3 or 4 players making runs beyond the ball! 

Alonso and Luiz regularly make school boy errors, rudiger has the odd brain fart, and azpilicueta doesn't look like a modern right back anymore. Then because of system we don't play with a defensive midfielder, and it's no wonder we are getting beat regularly.  

We are a mess at the moment.

58 minutes ago, Semper Fi said:

Im sure his vision would pay off long term, but not for our club. We cant change our DNA easily. 

Definitely not when even our own fans scrutinise and want the manager gone every time they don't get off to a great start. 

2 hours ago, Snedger said:

Darkest days at the Bridge since the very early 80’s. And add in the uncertainty around Abramovic since the visa incident, it’s debatable as to whether anything even can be changed for the good.

Lets not exaggerate, while these are very much testing times it isn't our darkest days since 2015, let alone 1980.

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by Argo

44 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Definitely not when even our own fans scrutinise and want the manager gone every time they don't get off to a great start. 

Think he has been given a fair chance , the fact his brand of football is boring , nor bringing results lacking any passion or desire and we the fans have lost all faith in him is not a knee jerk one result reaction ...

You are talking to fan base that has seen a lot of good and bad football and are very knowledgeable in regards to players and tactics ...to ignore them is a massive mistake 

 

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by Tea Bar Boy

21 minutes ago, Tea Bar Boy said:

Think he has been given a fair chance , the fact his brand of football is boring , nor bringing results lacking any passion or desire and we the fans have lost all faith in him is not a knee jerk one result reaction ...

You are talking to fan base that has seen a lot of good and bad football and are very knowledgeable in regards to players and tactics ...to ignore them is a massive mistake 

Personally, i wouldn't trust many if any fan opinions regarding club decisions, and i include myself in that.

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by Argo

22 minutes ago, Argo said:

Personally, i wouldn't trust many if any fan opinions regarding club decisions, and i include myself in that.

maybe not commercials but some football opinions would be valid ...

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

Definitely not when even our own fans scrutinise and want the manager gone every time they don't get off to a great start. 

Spread from Roman to us. We wanted Claudio to stay. We wanted Jose mark 1 to get more time, we supported jose mark 2 even when we were near the drop zone. We did not want carlo or robbie sacked.

However a lot of us started turning on conte early on, and now with sarri. I like to think we are fair minded people, for the most part. So long as our team and manager are trying there best we dont have to win trophies every year. We were not seeing enough effort or care from Scolari, AVB, Grant, conte year 2 and now from Sarri. We just hated Rafa and gave him no time.

Maybe I am wrong and we have become spoiled.

Just dipped into this topic again, most worryingly who are the 48% who are for Sarri to stay? and don't tell me they voted before the sh*t of the last couple of weeks, these performances and inept tactics, stubbornness and not being able to motivate team have been here for a few months now, admititly there are other factors within club, but Jesus this bloke is well out of his depth.

9 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Just dipped into this topic again, most worryingly who are the 48% who are for Sarri to stay? and don't tell me they voted before the sh*t of the last couple of weeks, these performances and inept tactics, stubbornness and not being able to motivate team have been here for a few months now, admititly there are other factors within club, but Jesus this bloke is well out of his depth.

It's all about the win percentage (although admittedly that is dropping with each & every game!)

 

45 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Just dipped into this topic again, most worryingly who are the 48% who are for Sarri to stay? and don't tell me they voted before the sh*t of the last couple of weeks, these performances and inept tactics, stubbornness and not being able to motivate team have been here for a few months now, admititly there are other factors within club, but Jesus this bloke is well out of his depth.

Wrong appointment and out of his depth.

No silverware to demonstrate his past success, and the plaudits around him were based around the way his Napoli team played which in itself wasn't persuading me he was the right fit for our club.

The club f**ked up. We're almost back to ground zero when it comes to our managerial choices.

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by Jezz