11 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

My god you lot need to get a grip. It was only a few weeks ago we were on a 17 unbeaten streak.

All of this will be forgotten about in a few weeks time, we’ll get a result tomorrow. I’ll hold my hand up if we lose tomorrow but I really doubt it.

You're speaking from the heart. Not the head.

6 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

My god you lot need to get a grip. It was only a few weeks ago we were on a 17 unbeaten streak.

All of this will be forgotten about in a few weeks time, we’ll get a result tomorrow. I’ll hold my hand up if we lose tomorrow but I really doubt it.

Villa are playing really well at the minute, yesterday you couldn’t tell they were the team that went down to ten men. It’s going to be a tough game but we need to win it. They’ve definitely moved up a level from relegation battlers. 
 

Frank needs to get a reaction out of his squad though whether through a proper bollocking, a change in tactics or a bit of both.  They can’t keep playing this way.

13 hours ago, Stas1 said:

Last season's 4th was the case of best among the worst. This season even traditionally low and mid-table teams have improved their game, so we are in a tough competition. In CL we had a relatively easy ride with Krasnodar and Rennes, and Sevilla rolling over in their last game against us. Atletico Madrid will eat us and sh*t us out with ease.

 

When Frank was appointed as our manager, I was happy with the understanding that we will be content and very patient with hovering around middle of the table, but at this cost promoting and developing our youth into the first team, and giving Frank a couple of years of learning the trade. If our expectations are still below Europa League, then fine.  However, instead of our own youth promotion on-mass, we went out and bought external talents and now expect to compete for EPL crown and CL place.  As evidently our objectives and expectations have shifted upwards, I do not believe that Frank is ready to fulfill those expectations. 

So when Frank does well it's because other teams were bad but when he loses it's because he's not up to the job? 

You say that the focus has moved away from youth development but James, Mount, Abraham all started yesterday and Hudson-Odoi was bought on at half time. Lampard hasn't exactly abandoned that philosophy has he? 

Of the new signings the biggest money was invested in Havertz, Werner and Chilwell. Aged 21, 24 and 23 at the time of being signed. Hardly a move towards tried and tested experience is it? The two Germans are playing outside of their native country for the first time in their careers in a congested fixture list during a global pandemic (Havertz only recently having recovered from Covid). 

To me it reads that your own expectations for the club have now dramatically shifted and nothing short of a title challenge will do. 

Our form is bad, no denying that but in a campaign when Liverpool are the only traditional top 6 side playing consistently well I think expectations need to be tempered. Any manger trying to integrate six new players into his starting XI would struggle to get results consistently during the first half of the season. A manager who has had no pre season and the most hectic fixture list in living memory? I'd say Frank has done really well all things considered up till now. 

18 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

My god you lot need to get a grip. It was only a few weeks ago we were on a 17 unbeaten streak.

All of this will be forgotten about in a few weeks time, we’ll get a result tomorrow. I’ll hold my hand up if we lose tomorrow but I really doubt it.

But anytime we play anyone decent we seem to struggle.

30 minutes ago, chi blue said:

Got a feeling Frank will be gone at the latest end of January, we know Chelsea don’t hang about if wheels are beginning to fall off, sadly I always had a feeling Frank was only a stop gap in the clubs eyes, you can bet contact has already been made with the departing PSG manager

I hope so,he's the manager I've wanted for a while.

2 hours ago, Diamondgeezer said:

The scousers whole game plan is to win with crosses and they don’t have a big target man. We just don’t have any movement with Tammy or Giroud. 

They do have three fluid front men so normally when a cross comes over there are at least two player competing for it.

Apparently he had a bit of a rant in an interview with Talksport yesterday too.

“I can’t defend the first half because they lacked the basics of football.

“The message was clear to the players. It was to be a tough game against a team that’s fighting, a team of quality, a team that would give everything for a London derby.

“The players have to take responsibility for that first half.”

“I can’t answer that because some things you can reflect on in terms of tactics, preparation and all these things but in terms of effort it’s something that just has to be a given in football. The players got it wrong.

I'll just say that, that is a dangerous game to play. Basically throwing your entire team under the bus is risky.

Think he's said it to get a reaction out of them. But if that doesn't happen and we continue to lose, and Lampard continue to blame the players it could get ugly quick.

 

11 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Apparently he had a bit of a rant in an interview with Talksport yesterday too.

“I can’t defend the first half because they lacked the basics of football.

“The message was clear to the players. It was to be a tough game against a team that’s fighting, a team of quality, a team that would give everything for a London derby.

“The players have to take responsibility for that first half.”

“I can’t answer that because some things you can reflect on in terms of tactics, preparation and all these things but in terms of effort it’s something that just has to be a given in football. The players got it wrong.

I'll just say that, that is a dangerous game to play. Basically throwing your entire team under the bus is risky.

Think he's said it to get a reaction out of them. But if that doesn't happen and we continue to lose, and Lampard continue to blame the players it could get ugly quick.

 

He needs to look closer to home - there’s a reason why the players aren’t getting the message and he needs to understand why it’s not seeking in. He was busy pointing the finger at the players post Wolves as well; he needs to take some responsibility.

Our current situation is why i have always been against Club Legends becoming Head Coach.

Quite a few on here are already turning against Frank, after what? a poor run of half a dozen games.

He was one of, if not the finest player this club has ever had, he's doing his level best to become a success as our manager.

Of course i understand when people become frustrated at poor results and poor form after a considerable financial outlay, But try and remember Frank is Chelsea through and through and poor results will hurt nobody more than Frank himself.

I doubt very much he or any of his plyers visit this Forum, but the feelings aired on this forum fill the air around the club. We need to stay positive and give Lamps our backing.

I would hate to see fans that loved him as a player start to turn against him as a coach, A Chelsea Legend is exactly that, and should remain that forever in my book.

Just now, Osgoodwasgood said:

Our current situation is why i have always been against Club Legends becoming Head Coach.

Quite a few on here are already turning against Frank, after what? a poor run of half a dozen games.

He was one of, if not the finest player this club has ever had, he's doing his level best to become a success as our manager.

Of course i understand when people become frustrated at poor results and poor form after a considerable financial outlay, But try and remember Frank is Chelsea through and through and poor results will hurt nobody more than Frank himself.

I doubt very much he or any of his plyers visit this Forum, but the feelings aired on this forum fill the air around the club. We need to stay positive and give Lamps our backing.

I would hate to see fans that loved him as a player start to turn against him as a coach, A Chelsea Legend is exactly that, and should remain that forever in my book.

I know where you coming from and I love Frank the player,I just never wanted him to take the position so early in his managerial career, I also feel the board knew they couldn't get a top manager because of the transfer ban.I will always love Frank and hopefully have him back at a later date,the board spent a lot of money in summer and I don't feel like me they will want to give him another season.

I don't particularly like to chop and change the first team, but I really think it needs doing. For me, I'd bring in Anjorin and Gilmour. Give Giroud a run, or maybe even promote Soonsup-Bell from the academy and give him a run out. Often the younger players will run a bit more, put a bit more effort in. I think that's what we need at the moment. Right now we look a little burned out. I'm going to defend Werner a little bit here, but I think being in a new league, the pressure to hit the ground running and adapting to a new style of football, I think it's taking a toll on him right now. Let him rest and sit out for a couple games. Bring in one of the younger guys or put Pulisic on the LW. Lampard needs to start rotating because I do think a few players are feeling it. He's reliance on James and Chilwell is also showing. It seems that there is little trust in his backup players, which means we have to play players even if they aren't fully recovered from their knocks. I don't have the answer, but the coaching team need to. 

3 minutes ago, Bluesince66 said:

I know where you coming from and I love Frank the player,I just never wanted him to take the position so early in his managerial career, I also feel the board knew they couldn't get a top manager because of the transfer ban.I will always love Frank and hopefully have him back at a later date,the board spent a lot of money in summer and I don't feel like me they will want to give him another season.

I appreciate that, i just dont want to see it get bitter, Frank deserves better than that, if they are to move him on then i hope its done with decorum.

 

Just now, Osgoodwasgood said:

I appreciate that, i just dont want to see it get bitter, Frank deserves better than that, if they are to move him on then i hope its done with decorum.

 

Yes definitely, hopefully it can be done amicably. 

I have seen barely any improvement at all in about 4 years now, so before Lampard and before Sarri. It's been basically the same story since Conte's 2nd season. We go on a decent run to put us in a position to challenge for a top 4 place, but the rest of the season we are playing complete sh*te and struggling to get a single convincing win. Once the good form ends, it's just a grind until the end of the season, apart from the odd surprising good performance here and there.

It's so tiring seeing us go on a good run but then completely falling apart, getting hammered by sh*te teams, reacting and getting a good result, and then falling apart again. There's something wrong with the mentality at the club these days, these collapses happen way too often.

I couldn’t have said it better myself. (Chelsea fan from a different forum.)

“If we won yesterday we would have moved second and people are calling for his head? http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png

It was a poor result and performance but we’re far from crisis mode.

The summer spending was always exaggerated because of the transfer ban and selling of Morata and Hazard for huge sums but even still, we’ve had a single game where all our summer signings have been available.

Frank needs to do better but he’s not doing bad either.”

You can't give what you don't have.

That's all. 

19 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I couldn’t have said it better myself. (Chelsea fan from a different forum.)

“If we won yesterday we would have moved second and people are calling for his head? http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png

It was a poor result and performance but we’re far from crisis mode.

The summer spending was always exaggerated because of the transfer ban and selling of Morata and Hazard for huge sums but even still, we’ve had a single game where all our summer signings have been available.

Frank needs to do better but he’s not doing bad either.”

Sorry but 3 points out if 12 isn't doing well in my book.

I don't believe that the players are against Lampard and I don't think that the club should be giving him any warning signs either. I'm sure that everyone is disappointed right now and everyone involved wants to win the next game.

Sarri also didn't look like a capable manager at some point but he proved himself by the end of the season.

Lampard needs to make sure that his system is respected and at some point he has to "kill his darlings" if he wants things to work out, if Mount can't make a play bench him like you benched Havertz, if Werner isn't good there playing wide bench him and play CHO, don't insist on players to get into form by force! If James/Chilwell aren't 100% ready yet, don't play them, don't force it.

If Giroud could wait on the bench for that long in order to get some chances so can all others, he could have played his new players in their best positions but he used them in a way just to fill in the gaps thinking that they are just so versatile, you don't do that to new players that just came into a new league if you want them to settle as quickly as possible. By the end of the previous season Pulisic was our best player scoring and assisting all over the place, this season Lampard has even played him on the opposite wing just so that he might force Werner to somehow become a new type of a player and it resulted in both of them looking bad out there. Play Werner as your striker or don't play him at all, I don't see Lampard trying to play Ziyech anywhere else but on the right wing when he's available and even Ziyech had at least one bad game.

He needs to win more games, 50% win rate isn't good enough and if it stays like that nobody will blame the players, everyone will blame him so he should stop trying to please everyone.

30 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I couldn’t have said it better myself. (Chelsea fan from a different forum.)

“If we won yesterday we would have moved second and people are calling for his head? http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji23.png

It was a poor result and performance but we’re far from crisis mode.

The summer spending was always exaggerated because of the transfer ban and selling of Morata and Hazard for huge sums but even still, we’ve had a single game where all our summer signings have been available.

Frank needs to do better but he’s not doing bad either.”

These excuses just keep coming having got spanked by a team we should wipe the floor with

My favourite ever Chelsea player and I’d love him to succeed, but you gotta be realistic. I know some think as long as he’s the coach it don’t matter, give him as long as he needs, the owner won’t see it that way. 

What will it be like on here if Villa and City, 2 teams vastly better than Arsenal, beat us as well?

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

What will it be like on here if Villa and City, 2 teams vastly better than Arsenal, beat us as well?

We definitely should be looking to beat Villa for sure but City? Let’s be honest they’re a better team than us and they have been coached by Guardiola for 5 years. It would be daft to expect a win against City and be outraged if we don’t.

We need immediate improvement.  A response from the Frank, the coaching staff and players.  Simple as.  They need to win 3 or 4 games in a row and turn this around.  Nothing is really going our way; confidence looks quite low throughout the group and the energy/workrate is appalling.

Sacking Frank wouldn't change this.  I am very concerned he is out of his depth as we have been repeating the same mistakes for his tenure.  There are brief periods where this has improved, but the underlying problems have been with us for years now.

- Soft; very easy to score against - teams don't really have to do too much.  No one fears playing Chelsea - we're just a nice group of guys
- A disgraceful habit of turning round the fortunes of teams with absolutely no form
- Inability to create chances from open play.  Completely unfounded, but my sense is our conversion rate is equally poor as well for the few chances we do create
- Lack of development and integration with signed players (I'd exclude Silva and Chilwell here).  My thoughts are this stems from consistently playing players out of position.  I know that doesn't explain Werner missing sitters, but it has compounded the issue
- Predictable; unable to change a game pattern.  You can generally tell from the first 5 mins what the outcome will be
- Mistakes; we concede stupid freekicks and often punished to the fullest extent

With Frank, well, we make mistakes or poor choices (penalty taker continues to miss, player out of position showing no form, no plan A or B), yet we have seen no change to address this.  This is my greatest frustration with Frank, and didn't think he would be so stubborn or blind to such obvious shortcomings.  There are many positives, but in a results business, that has to change immediately.

 

3 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I have seen barely any improvement at all in about 4 years now, so before Lampard and before Sarri. It's been basically the same story since Conte's 2nd season. We go on a decent run to put us in a position to challenge for a top 4 place, but the rest of the season we are playing complete sh*te and struggling to get a single convincing win. Once the good form ends, it's just a grind until the end of the season, apart from the odd surprising good performance here and there.

It's so tiring seeing us go on a good run but then completely falling apart, getting hammered by sh*te teams, reacting and getting a good result, and then falling apart again. There's something wrong with the mentality at the club these days, these collapses happen way too often.

I agree. It's so frustrating and as the saying goes, "it's the hope that kills you".

The annoying thing is, Lamps has been central and key to so much Chelsea success as a player and he must have the winning mentality and you would hope be able to identify players who aren't up to it and are mentally weak. But as you say, we go in circles of a good run where we look capable of beating anyone to just as quickly capitulating and we become everyone's whipping boys. 

I think it is down to personnel and too many of our current crop are a bit flakey and don't have that winning mentality or don't want to dig deep when they have to. That is the trouble with the modern player and how that have it too easy and get too much too soon. An example of one thing that really annoyed me recently was the interview with Tammy after the West Ham game. Tammy was all smiles and ok we had won and he had scored 2 but he went on about after two defeats we needed a good performance and that's what we did. Sorry Tammy but for large parts of that game we were second best and it was painful to watch so don't go glossing over and giving it the biggun and then a few days later get spanked by a sh*t Arsenal team.

A minor thing but just spoke volumes of how out of touch some of these footballers are or I guess how they just love to speak in cliches. 

16 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

What will it be like on here if Villa and City, 2 teams vastly better than Arsenal, beat us as well?

Most people are unhappy precisely because Arsenal are in terrible shape but still beat us. If we weren't on such a terrible run of form, most people would have been neutral with a loss to City or Villa. Given the state of things now, losses to both of those teams probably see us drop out of the top 10 and people will be rightly pissed.