I've pretty much already said it after the game, but my verdict on it right now. Time to go. 

I see no evidence that Frank can turn this around and I can only see it getting worse. We should jump ship now while we can still salvage a good season. And if by some miracle he turns this around and we get some good results, I don't trust in his managerial ability that the exact same thing isn't going to happen again in the following season. Do I think he's the only problem? No. He's no doubt had it very hard compared to a lot of other managers and football is currently in a very strange climate. But it's no excuse to be playing so badly for well over a month now. On paper we have a very good team with quality players, but they're not being utilised effectively. 

If you're sick of sacking managers and want something different, okay, I raise you this. Why Frank? Just forget about who he is for a minute, the player, why do we put all our eggs in one basket for a man who has won nothing, and started his managerial career just over 2 years ago? City and Liverpool both brought in top managers for the long term and gave them big contracts because Klopp and Pep can provide evidence in their CV's that they know how to build title winning teams. Frank doesn't have any of that. He doesn't deserve that luxury of time when he has no evidence that as a manager that he can turn this around and get this group of players winning things. On paper, Frank is the most unqualified manager we've had under Abramovich. 

It isn't just results, it's about the dire football situation and how badly these players are underperforming. There appears to be no identity or way of going forward from here. It all looked good before the Leeds game, no doubt about it. But it's a bit of a coincidence that as soon as we started playing teams in the top 10, winning games became impossible. What's that now? 1 win in the last 8 games? Yikes. Overall, as a unit, I see little to no improvement from last season despite spending over 200 million on players and bringing top profile targets. Defending is better for sure, but what happened to the attack? If it's not one problem then it's another. 

So, I say, nip it in the bud before it gets any worse, this current situation isn't helping anyone. I think currently it's going to be difficult to get a high-profile manager right now, so I hope the club has a shortlist of candidates who can take the reins and salvage this season. It's happened plenty of times before and it's worked out well, all besides one time, Hiddink part two. But even then, we ended up winning the league the season after. People on here act as though if you want the manager gone, you're being hyperbolic and it's all doom and gloom, on the contrary, I think some of you act like it's all doom and gloom if we sack Lampard, and that's it, nothing can get better, we've reached a low point. When realistically, it could be the complete opposite. 

Love him as a player, as a bloke, but as a manager, he's not cut out for it. I say it with my chest, I think it's time to go, the sooner the better. 

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by Slojo

For the people thinking there is no truth in his job being at risk?  Do you remember who our owner is, he does not make decisions based on sentiment. Liam Twomey and Simon Johnson do have sources at the club. So I would have caution to dismiss the report that quick.  We are 3 points off Spurs yes, and also 3 pts off 12th.   Too many people, and i myself may be included, are judging Lampard because of their affection for him as a player and his club legend status.  You have to ignore that and focus solely on him as a manager - He seems out of ideas and has no clue what to do.  Jody Morris is useless aswell

 

We all want him to turn it around, and stay here as long as he wants, but the job does seem too big for him.   And i can guarantee if this was Scolari, AVB, Sarri, or Avram Grant etc , EVERYONE would have the knives out wanting them sacked.  And dont deny it

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by RickUK

6 minutes ago, RickUK said:

For the people thinking there is no truth in his job being at risk?  Do you remember who our owner is, he does not make decisions based on sentiment. Liam Twomey and Simon Johnson do have sources at the club. So I would have caution to dismiss the report that quick.  We are 3 points off Spurs yes, and also 3 pts off 12th.   Too many people, and i myself may be included, are judging Lampard because of their affection for him as a player and his club legend status.  You have to ignore that and focus solely on him as a manager - He seems out of ideas and has no clue what to do.  Jody Morris is useless aswell

 

We all want him to turn it around, and stay here as long as he wants, but the job does seem too big for him.   And i can guarantee if this was Scolari, AVB, Sarri, or Avram Grant etc , EVERYONE would have the knives out wanting them sacked.  And dont deny it

This is basically what it has come to for many people on here, thinking with their hearts over their heads. For example this quote below me from dansubrosa is exactly that. 

 

4 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

If they sack Lampard tomorrow morning then I am f*cking done with them.

He’s had a bad 4 weeks after a fantastic 16 months considering the circumstances. If that’s not good enough to give him time then what is?

Yeah let’s fire Frank, who loves the club deeply and get some German in who doesn’t give a flying f*ck about us right now.

Come on. Stick with Frank and let him ride the storm, I honestly believe he will turn this around. I mean look at Ole and Arteta, absolute clowns, still have managed to improve the situation at their clubs.

If we don’t give Lampard time to turn this around, I give up. Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Poch, Allegri, no thank you. Give me Frank any day.

Not to attack you Dan, but this just reeks of exactly what the bolded points in RickUK's post is about. Because you have a special bond with Lampard as a player, you're looking past all the negatives and not being objective. The fact that he's a former player here doesn't actually mean anything, and why is it that some foreign manager won't love the club? Did we care about that before we appointed Jose? Carlo? Conte? Yet all of us cherished those managers when they were winning things here, every one of them celebrated like mad men, would you take that all away because "they don't give a f**k about the club" ? 

By this logic, we should only hire people who've played for the club then... 

 

10 minutes ago, Slojo said:

This is basically what it has come to for many people on here, thinking with their hearts over their heads. For example this quote below me from dansubrosa is exactly that. 

 

Not to attack you Dan, but this just reeks of exactly what the bolded points in RickUK's post is about. Because you have a special bond with Lampard as a player, you're looking past all the negatives and not being objective. The fact that he's a former player here doesn't actually mean anything, and why is it that some foreign manager won't love the club? Did we care about that before we appointed Jose? Carlo? Conte? Yet all of us cherished those managers when they were winning things here, every one of them celebrated like mad men, would you take that all away because "they don't give a f**k about the club" ? 

By this logic, we should only hire people who've played for the club then... 

 

I think you have nailed it here, you can separate us fans in to those going with their heads or their hearts.

Perfectly happy to keep going with my heart on this, but respect those of you who go with your head.

Though trying to with other point if view, you should also "sack" (or rather sell) a number of the squad too as Mendy, Kepa, Willy, Emerson, Alonso, Rudiger, Christensen, Zouma, Kovacic, Jorginho are all not title winning material players.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

I think you have nailed it here, you can separate us fans in to those going with their heads or their hearts.

Perfectly happy to keep going with my heart on this, but respect those of you who go with your head.

Though trying to with other point if view, you should also "sack" (or rather sell) a number of the squad too as Mendy, Kepa, Willy, Emerson, Alonso, Rudiger, Christensen, Zouma, Kovacic, Jorginho are all not title winning material players.

But who's to say another manager can't come here and get the best out of all those players you just mentioned? At the end of the day, the manager always goes before the players, that's the reality nowadays. 

I have no disrespect towards people are loyal to Frank and want him to stay, I just think some of them are thinking with their hearts too much on this. 

1 minute ago, Slojo said:

But who's to say another manager can't come here and get the best out of all those players you just mentioned? At the end of the day, the manager always goes before the players, that's the reality nowadays. 

I have no disrespect towards people are loyal to Frank and want him to stay, I just think some of them are thinking with their hearts too much on this. 

Let's be fair here, do we think even Sir Alex could turn Kepa in to a decent keeper or Christensen in to a decent defender? Lol

I dont think any of those players at their best are title winners, but I dont know it to be so.

I will agree with you on one thing though. If Frank is not going to be allowed to see out the season, sack him now.

Roman needs to either stick with him till the summer come what may or sack him immediately, get a replacement in and use the window wisely. Sacking Frank at the end of Jan or later will not help us at all.

Either way I dont see us getting past Atletico, so is all about the league and how much Roman wants top 4 and how much he believes in Frank, and he needs to make that choice and stick by it.

I am fully behind Frank. From the minute he took the job he's done things that only he and his team was able to do. He instilled the belief in our great youth setup and since then Mount, Abraham, James, Gilmour, CHO, Tomori among others have been part of the first team. There was the transfer ban I acknowledge it. 

In his first season he steered us to 4th which was a good ending of the season. 

The summer transfer window was a massive success and Frank got backed in a brilliant way for several big names. 

The season started shakily but after we got all the new guys in we went 17 games unbeaten. 

And now we are here. With a massively talented squad struggling like we haven't seen in a long time. Frank is under heavy pressure. The team is shell-shocked. 

Frank has struggled to beat the sides that are close to us in terms of talent and stature. We haven't won any of the games. This is concerning but we have enough talent in the side to climb out of this rut. 

We only need some positive results. I think this can be achieved by really shaking the squad. Change personnel, change formation. Let players show their talents. I think Frank will do this. He has to. Time won't heal this, victories will. 

Frank is too smart to not get himself and the team out of this hole. 

11 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

To be honest when I saw the starting XI I thought Lamps more or less had the right idea. Personally I probably would have started Hudson-Odoi on the right over Ziyech, but Werner central and Pulisic on the left running towards the penalty area was probably as similar to Leicester/Tottenham's counter-attacking template as we could muster.

I know Man City have been somewhat more conservative of late but it seems that picking a pacy forward line to play on the shoulders of their centre backs and putting balls in front of them is how you score against Man City. Of course that idea actually working is predicated on having deeper players who are either willing or able to play those central balls over the top of the opposition defence. I counted two attempts in the first ten minutes (Zouma and Silva), and until Gilmour came on we tried to play every subsequent attack through the wide men. This of course didn't play to Werner's strengths at all, especially when we went so far behind so early.

My questions would be:

a) Why set up with players who are best suited to execute one particular strategy then actually play in a different way which is completely counter to their strengths?

b) Why keep persisting with this when we've seen it's not working whatsoever and is directly responsible for us being flattened all over the pitch?

c) Why (even moreso) keep persisting with this when you're 3-0 down, when the strategy is designed to exploit the weaknesses of a team who are trying to win the game rather a team who are miles ahead and coasting?

 

It was totally illogical game management from Lampard, and it is certainly not the first time I've been baffled by some of his decision-making.

 

It is undeniable that Lamps brings positives to the club as a manager. His recruitment (and his ability to seduce players) has been fantastic. He is the first Chelsea manager this millennium to successfully integrate our youth players into the first team. He has a genuine liaison with the fans (although I suppose that is less relevant at the moment with the stadium empty). He got us into the top 4 last season with our weird ragtag squad, no new signings (other than Pulisic) and under the bizarre circumstances of the national lockdown.

Unfortunately it's not clear at all currently that he is any kind of tactician, a consistently good man manager, a capable game manager, or a very good coach. I don't think that it is necessarily anathema (or disloyalty) for the board to wonder whether another manager might be doing a better job with the current squad (because in all likelihood a number of others would be).

One thing that does give me hope is that more or less every single other part of Frank Lampard's football career has been characterised by a slow start, followed by an inexorable rise to greatness through sheer grit, work rate, and desire. I don't necessarily think the criticisms I made earlier on (and they are very significant flaws for a manager at the top level to have) are things that Lampard can't or won't eventually improve upon... lest we forget he is a manager halfway through his third season. The question is how long can we give him to learn at our helm while an incredibly good squad keeps underperforming to such an extent?

 

Unfortunately, we are getting close to the point where, if our intention is to genuinely compete at the top level*, the only argument to keep Lampard is sheer loyalty...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Admittedly this does get into the debate of what you want from your team as a football fan.

Brilliant post, sums up our current position totally !!

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by coombsie

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

I am fully behind Frank. From the minute he took the job he's done things that only he and his team was able to do. He instilled the belief in our great youth setup and since then Mount, Abraham, James, Gilmour, CHO, Tomori among others have been part of the first team. There was the transfer ban I acknowledge it. 

In his first season he steered us to 4th which was a good ending of the season. 

The summer transfer window was a massive success and Frank got backed in a brilliant way for several big names. 

The season started shakily but after we got all the new guys in we went 17 games unbeaten. 

And now we are here. With a massively talented squad struggling like we haven't seen in a long time. Frank is under heavy pressure. The team is shell-shocked. 

Frank has struggled to beat the sides that are close to us in terms of talent and stature. We haven't won any of the games. This is concerning but we have enough talent in the side to climb out of this rut. 

We only need some positive results. I think this can be achieved by really shaking the squad. Change personnel, change formation. Let players show their talents. I think Frank will do this. He has to. Time won't heal this, victories will. 

Frank is too smart to not get himself and the team out of this hole. 

👏👏There are some bloody good posts on here today !!-

Think I’ll go through some of Frank’s top Chelsea goals, a bonafide legend no matter how this pans out. 

My two penneth is that Frank must be given time. The only thing that would change this opinion is if I could see that the players had really stopped playing for him. They do look bloody lethargic, jaded etc etc but there is no evidence that this is the case and no rumours of unrest in the dressing room. We must back Frank to turn it round, by giving him the job The Club accepted his lack of experience and need to "learn on the job"

One thing that shouldn't get lost in all of this is appointing Frank when we did was the correct decision, with the unique circumstances we faced of losing our game changer with no chance of replacement meant we needed a man who would look at the bigger picture and wouldn't just try and sh*thouse a top four spot, and as it turned out Lampard achieved that while setting us up long term. Unfortunately it doesn't look like he's going to be the one to take us back to the top himself but make no mistake if/when we get there he'd have played his part.

Last season was a fantastic achievement no matter what way it's spun, people can spill this guff of "we're Chelsea we shouldn't be happy with just top four" and this season I'd agree, but last season that was the ceiling of what our squad was capable of and expecting a squad not capable of doing any better to do better because "we're Chelsea" is the exact same type of delusions of grandeur we use to scold Liverpool fans for having. If our squad do the best that they are capable of then they (and the manager) should be praised for that.

This season however the job looks too big for him, he's almost looking like one of those managers who overachieve when the pressure isn't too high but then cranks when the pressure is raised (the expectations of last season compared to this is a rough equivalent of moving to a medium sized club to huge club). At the start I wasn't convinced by the performance but gave the benefit of the doubt it was the Covid situation causing the strange performances (even Bayern were looking erratic at that point) and the run we went on of wins and clean sheets looked like he finally may have cracked it but let's not get things twisted, since the Krasnador game at home things have been awful. Yes it's easy to say it's only a month but there was worrying signs before then but difference then there was also good signs that gave us hope he'd straighten out and the greenness will disappear and the promising aspects of his management would become more dominant, however unfortunately the total opposite has happened.

It's not the fact we ain't getting results at the minute (results wise we had a bad start last season but I was delighted with the performances and knew the results were going to come) it's the fact there's nothing there in performances. We have talent all over the pitch and we're resorting to throwing in crosses in the box, when was the last time we played genuine combinations through the middle creating serious chances? And without change it will get worse as more and more managers realize that's our only source of scoring and create tactical counters to cut it off. If we had a sh*t squad I'd potentially be inclined to wait and see if Lampard could improve with better players (ala OGS after he signed Bruno Fernandes) but the reality is, we have a first Xl that should at the absolute minimum be comfortably top four. Can any one say hand on heart they're confident we will win at Fulham? Or any league fixture on the horizon? When that happens with the talent we have then there's only one place to look and that's the coaching team.

We still have a chance of top four, heck given how crazy this season is I wouldn't even bet against us creeping into the title race if we picked up some momentum but I just can't see how it will happen under Frank, structurally we look absolutely desolate in ways I've only seen worse under the Mou meltdown and Scolari and that's just not acceptable with the quality we have. I hope this ages terribly and Frank turns this round and gives us a long term run as manager (nothing will make me happier) and as I've said he's more than played his part in what will hopefully be a journey back to the top, but my priority is always what's best for the club and as much as it hurts to say, I don't think that's Frank in charge.

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by Argo

16 minutes ago, Argo said:

One thing that shouldn't get lost in all of this is appointing Frank when we did was the correct decision, with the unique circumstances we faced of losing our game changer with no chance of replacement meant we needed a man who would look at the bigger picture and wouldn't just try and sh*thouse a top four spot, and as it turned out Lampard achieved that while setting us up long term. Unfortunately it doesn't look like he's going to be the one to take us back to the top himself but make no mistake if/when we get there he'd have played his part.

Last season was a fantastic achievement no matter what way it's spun, people can spill this guff of "we're Chelsea we shouldn't be happy with just top four" and this season I'd agree, but last season that was the ceiling of what our squad was capable of and expecting a squad not capable of doing any better to do better because "we're Chelsea" is the exact same type of delusions of grandeur we use to scold Liverpool fans for having. If our squad do the best that they are capable of then they (and the manager) should be praised for that.

This season however the job looks too big for him, he's almost looking like one of those managers who overachieve when the pressure isn't too high but then cranks when the pressure is raised (the expectations of last season compared to this is a rough equivalent of moving to a medium sized club to huge club). At the start I wasn't convinced by the performance but gave the benefit of the doubt it was the Covid situation causing the strange performances (even Bayern were looking erratic at that point) and the run we went on of wins and clean sheets looked like he finally may have cracked it but let's not get things twisted, since the Krasnador game at home things have been awful. Yes it's easy to say it's only a month but there was worrying signs before then but difference then there was also good signs that gave us hope he's straighten out and the greenness will disappear and the promising aspects of his management would become more dominant, however unfortunately the total opposite has happened.

It's not the fact we ain't getting results at the minute (results wise we had a bad start last season but I was delighted with the performances and knew the results were going to come) it's the fact there's nothing there in performances. We have talent all over the pitch and we're resorting to throwing in crosses in the box, when was the last time we played genuine combinations through the middle creating serious chances? And without change it will get worse as more and more managers realize that's our only source of scoring and create tactical counters to cut it off. If we had a sh*t squad I'd be inclined to wait and see if Lampard could improve with better players (ala OGS after he signed Bruno Fernandes) but the reality is, we have a first Xl that should at the absolute minimum be comfortably top four. Can any one say hand on heart they're confident we will win at Fulham? Or any league fixture on the horizon? When that happens with the talent we have then there's only one place to look and that's the coaching team.

We still have a chance of top four, heck given how crazy this season is I wouldn't even bet against us creeping into the title race if we picked up some momentum but I just can't see how it will happen under Frank, structurally we look absolutely desolate in ways I've only seen worse under the Mou meltdown and Scolari and that's just not acceptable with the quality we have. I hope this ages terribly and Frank turns this round and gives us a long term run as manager (nothing will make me happier) and as I've said he's more than played his part in what will hopefully be a journey back to the top, but my priority is always what's best for the club and as much as it hurts to say, I don't think that's Frank in charge.

This sums up a lot of my feelings perfectly. It gives me zero pleasure in writing what I did this morning. I do differ in some ways though, I was never keen on the Frank appointment to begin with, I do think he did a great job last season. 

But I'm not subscribing to this narrative that Frank has it worse than AVB did in 2012. Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech, Havertz, Callum Hudson-Odoi some of the best talents in Europe right there. Giroud, Abraham, two fantastic backup strikers. Kovacic, Jorginho, Kante, again, these three should be playing much better, they're good players, why aren't they? This is not the "worst chelsea team ever", these are good players that aren't performing well and don't suit the current system they're being told to play. Werner Exhibit A, he doesn't suit this style of play whatsoever. 

Anyway, forget all that for a second. With Frank it's different, I was always going to give Frank a harder time than other managers because of his lack of experience. If things were to go down the sh*t pan, I wouldn't have gave him the same time as other managers. Because he's a club legend is irrelevant to me at this point, this is the manager’s job, I want what’s best for this club. Last season we saw some great moments in the team, how good we were going forward but our defence kept holding us back big time. But what's going on now? We've got better players and we are playing even worse football, like you said, we just can't seem to play through the middle whatsoever... There's no Plan B in our attack, completely one dimensional at the moment. The midfield 3 is just sideways pass, sideways pass, sideways pass, that 20 minute cameo from Jorginho against West Ham showed me something that was deeply missing in this team, a distributor in the middle who will take risks and pass the ball forward for a f**king change.... 

But sadly, Jorginho is not playing well, like many others. 

I think some people are overreacting to what has only been a bad month. 

I agree we need to perform better and believe that will happen, still plenty of football left to play, but calls for his head already are quite premature. 

It’s been painful watching our only form of attack is give it to the fullbacks and swing in a cross. Then we had Ziyech swinging in crosses yesterday for small players, I just wonder how the hell is this happening. It’s also painful playing with 3 midfielders who literally have no creativity. We are better off playing with 2 strikers than 3 midfielders who offer nothing past the halfway line.

I'd actually like to see a couple academy players come in and play. I am sure they would show more fight than we saw yesterday because they want to play for the first team. Livramento at RB instead of Azpi, Anjorin up top and Bate in midfield. It is a shame that we have Guehi and Maatsen on loan. They would both fill in the LB and CB slots when needed. Guehi is arguably the best CB in the championship from what I've heard and read. Maatsen has also been very good too. Fed up with the lack of fight and/or quality our more experienced players have shown lately. 

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by enigma

There’s a special place in my heart for Frank, but I think even his most ardent supporters must now have serious doubts.

The sudden lack of cohesion in our play is baffling - some of the players look totally disinterested, and as fans we still have absolutely no idea how we are supposed to play, or what our best 11 is.

I start to question whether the players have switched off from him... Our managers don’t usually survive this stage.

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by Elliott

Also, is there a mentality problem with London clubs? I'm genuinely curious because we have had this mentality problem for a few seasons. Meanwhile that man utd side have shown more grit and determination than we or any London side has. The same could be said for Aston Villa and Leicester too. Pissing me off. 

3 minutes ago, enigma said:

I'd actually like to see a couple academy players come in and play. I am sure they would show more fight than we saw yesterday because they want to play for the first team. Livramento at RB instead of Azpi, Anjorin up top and Bate in midfield. It is a shame that we have Guehi and Maatsen on loan. They would both fill in the LB and CB slots when needed. Guehi is arguably the best CB in the championship from what I've heard and read. Maatsen has also been very good too. Fed up with the lack of fight and/or quality our more experienced players have shown lately. 

Probably the best solution a the moment, I think starting Gilmour is a good idea. Let's see what he can do. 

5 hours ago, Slojo said:

Not to attack you Dan, but this just reeks of exactly what the bolded points in RickUK's post is about. Because you have a special bond with Lampard as a player, you're looking past all the negatives and not being objective. The fact that he's a former player here doesn't actually mean anything, and why is it that some foreign manager won't love the club? Did we care about that before we appointed Jose? Carlo? Conte? Yet all of us cherished those managers when they were winning things here, every one of them celebrated like mad men, would you take that all away because "they don't give a f**k about the club" ? 

By this logic, we should only hire people who've played for the club then... 

 

I suppose I may be thinking with my heart more than head, Lampard has my full backing until the end and I honestly believe he can turn this around. 

Time will tell.

Watching the match again yesterday that was a clear example of Man against boy and am not talking about the players on the field, that was basically pulling your trousers down and giving you a spanking, then watching you walk around with your trousers around your ankles.

23 minutes ago, enigma said:

I'd actually like to see a couple academy players come in and play. I am sure they would show more fight than we saw yesterday because they want to play for the first team. Livramento at RB instead of Azpi, Anjorin up top and Bate in midfield. It is a shame that we have Guehi and Maatsen on loan. They would both fill in the LB and CB slots when needed. Guehi is arguably the best CB in the championship from what I've heard and read. Maatsen has also been very good too. Fed up with the lack of fight and/or quality our more experienced players have shown lately. 

This would be a risky thing to do on such a massive scale. Our squad is young already, which is a factor when it comes to actually achieving some consistency.

We have a young front line with Tammy, Pulisic, CHO, Havertz and we have invested the trust in Mount, James, Gilmour.

Maybe in some critical positions such as the CB position where Tomori, Guehi or maybe Xavier Mbuyamba could get a chance, but we can't expect to get the results that we want if we just randomly take a leap of faith and give the chance to every possible youngster that we have.

I think Frank has to sacrifice any thoughts of just playing progressive football until we get results.

We should beat Morecombe and Fulham with 4-3-3 as long as we play Giroud.

Against the clubs that can play possession football at speed we are better playing with 3 CBs as with our current squad we just can't compete.

16 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Watching the match again yesterday that was a clear example of Man against boy and am not talking about the players on the field, that was basically pulling your trousers down and giving you a spanking, then watching you walk around with your trousers around your ankles.

That result was definitely in the making, we got dominated against West Ham but luckily they lacked any cutting edge in the final third. The most concerning thing is that in most games we have periods where we get absolutely dominated and a lot of the time it comes down to losing that battle in midfield, our most combative midfield started last night and we still got completely outplayed and were chasing shadows for majority of the game.

11 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

I think Frank has to sacrifice any thoughts of just playing progressive football until we get results.

Why? Last season he mainly stuck to his guns despite the short term pain in results and we got a lot out of the season. Despite drawing one and losing two I was really excited by how we went toe to toe with Liverpool (Super Cup and Stamford Bridge) and City (at The Ethiad), I thought it was truly outstanding that we matched 99 and 98 point teams of the season just gone so early into a new project. 

If we play crap at Fulham and win through a own goal or a Oli header all we'll be doing is kicking the can down the road, at this point we need to get back to performing first and foremost, control games, create chances, play some good football, if we do that and get unlucky with the result then f**k it, but we need some hope again as it feels like a chore watching us at the minute.

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by Argo