1 minute ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Not blaming Sarri just stating that we haven't been much impressive since we changed to a possession based team which started with him. The whole reason Sarri was hired was to overhaul the club's identity into a possession based team. Since then we haven't mounted any serious title challenge.

In reality we weren't any kind of a serious title challenger the year before Sarri was signed. Conte finished 5th, failed to replace Matic and D.Costa and had no vision for the future and was ready to leave as soon as possible while blaming the club for everything. Sarri put us back on track, not his fault that whoever came after him couldn't continue improving the team.

11 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

If we continue to play a 4-3-3 I would honestly try Mount in the midfield 3 rather than the front 3, because I think he can help to unlock defences and help us get in behind. 

Mount did play in the midfield 3 tonight - didn't exactly go very well though LOL

7 minutes ago, thebluekid said:

So why does he keep f**king playing them then? Look I appreciate you’re trying your best to calm everyone down and you’re probably sat there ‘tutting’ at all the ‘knee jerk’ reactions, but it’s been a f**king shambles rolling from the end of last season to now. He has completely ALIENATED players in his formations. No wonder why Puli, Ziyech, CHO etc. have downed tools. If you’re a f**king winger who’s never been on a defensive duty in all the years you’ve played the game and your coach puts you at wing back to try squeeze you in, you’d be fuming… Especially considering those that start ahead of you are hardly knocking doors down. Buck starts with the manager.

Again i completely agree, Pulsic CHO and Ziyech are out and out wingers. They arent wingbacks at all, so playing them there negates all of their positive attributes. Now they cant even get minutes fullstop even though the same useless players keep playing. Its shocking. 

But one thing you can still count on is these players who barely get minutes, who play in random positions they cant play in, get the most abuse on here saying why arent they scoring or assisting. When they are brought on in pressure situations where we are losing and desperate, and are expected to produce miracles in 10 minutes, when they have no match fitness or rhythm.

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

Mount did play in the midfield 3 tonight - didn't exactly go very well though LOL

Granted it didn’t but I think he’s better suited to being part of that middle 3 than the front 3 longer term

Our football is terrible to watch most of the time. We have been garbage offensive in most of our games since TT came in, it was made up for by brilliant defensive and goalkeeping displays and hard work. Now we have none of those. 

I don't see TT digging us out of this, I don't think he has it in him.

9 minutes ago, thebluekid said:

Wait a minute hahahahahahaha, you’re blaming Sarri for how f**king pants we’ve been for a while now? That’s like me blaming my ex Mrs for me still not knowing my way around a fanny.

Which is clearly not her fault as JT was banging her for years and he is still a player.

Just now, Oli said:

Again i completely agree, Pulsic CHO and Ziyech are out and out wingers. They arent wingbacks at all, so playing them there negates all of their positive attributes. Now they cant even get minutes fullstop even though the same useless players keep playing. Its shocking. 

But one thing you can still count on is these players who barely get minutes, who play in random positions they cant play in, get the most abuse on here saying why arent they scoring or assisting. When they are brought on in pressure situations where we are losing and desperate, and are expected to produce miracles in 10 minutes, when they have no match fitness or rhythm.

When I was younger I had a similar thing. I played for a team higher in the division, coach kept putting me at left back even though I was 10 stone wet through and had a blinding pre season at left wing because his favourite came back from his gap yah and off I f**ked.

I left, joined a team down the road who actually appreciated me 2 levels lower, had a blinding season at left wing, went back up two levels and bagged two goals against the same team who wouldn’t sniff at me in my actual position 2 seasons later. Coaches win the hearts of their players when they actually show that every single one of the boys he’s got is worth their weight in gold to the coach; not when they clearly have favourites and alienate everyone else who doesn’t fit his agenda.

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Our football is terrible to watch most of the time. We have been garbage offensive in most of our games since TT came in, it was made up for by brilliant defensive and goalkeeping displays and hard work. Now we have none of those. 

I don't see TT digging us out of this, I don't think he has it in him.

Sterling does have 3 goals and an assist in 5 matches played. Find another player like that to play on the opposite side and we might be back on track...Gordon?

37 minutes ago, Amputechture said:

If it's Jose, he'll want eleven defenders so no worries.

But at least they will be attack minded ...

1 minute ago, Gol15 said:

Sterling does have 3 goals and an assist in 5 matches played. Find another player like that to play on the opposite side and we might be back on track...Gordon?

Ronaldo?

1 minute ago, Drogba1 said:

Ronaldo?

Not sure Ronaldo would want to come here 😐

38 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Thomas Tuchel:

"Soft, soft, soft defending. There is no need to give shots away. Just toughen up as a team and show a different mentality."

"Obviously we’re not tough enough at the moment to win these matches away. One set-piece again. One sloppy defending again. Then we are off balance. We were not tough enough as a team to react or push it over the line for us."

Is that not his job to organize the defence and get the team in to a mental space to react, to not surrender?

We know we cannot bin the players because we have called for that in the past when we have backed managers, we know the only solution is a managerial change because is financially viable, sacking the players is not. Is just a matter of when now not if.

Maybe with these younger signings like Gvardiol and Fofana it will inject some pace back in the side. The whole backline and midfield looked slow and static today and were overrun by the young athletic southampton team, the same way leeds did us. 

Its clear we struggle majorly against pace. But then playing these older players some of whom are past it isnt the answer.  

You also have to ask yourself. When things arent going right and havent for 5 games. Why was Broja and Pulisic brought on gor the last 20 minutes. Atleast give them a good 40 mins or so as soon as we could see there was no desire at the start of the second half. Tuchel cant continue to just keep playing his favourites because of their experience. It isnt working. If come saturday i see the exact same lineup against west ham,i think ill cry.

32 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

What really annoyed me about tonight was the lack of desire or willingness to get back into the game in the second half.

This is what done me in as well.

When I watch Liverpool, City or even Arsenal at times and they are behind the match goes really slowly.

It's because these teams are moving the ball quickly to make life uncomfortable for their opponents, we might play a bit faster when added on time is announced, but by then it's too late.

We don't have enough goal scorers or even enough footballers who are calm in crucial moments.

These other top teams also have multiple players who can get an equalizer at any moment and then they go on and turn the result around.

At the moment we only have Sterling or we are hoping for a defender to come up with a goal.

If we concede more than 1 goal we are toast.

Our whole footballing philosophy at the moment seems to be about conceding less than our opponents rather than trying to outscore them.

Edited August 30, 20223 yr by 2211

Just now, Oli said:

Again i completely agree, Pulsic CHO and Ziyech are out and out wingers. They arent wingbacks at all, so playing them there negates all of their positive attributes. Now they cant even get minutes fullstop even though the same useless players keep playing. Its shocking. 

But one thing you can still count on is these players who barely get minutes, who play in random positions they cant play in, get the most abuse on here saying why arent they scoring or assisting. When they are brought on in pressure situations where we are losing and desperate, and are expected to produce miracles in 10 minutes, when they have no match fitness or rhythm.

Hot take: the squad is and has been a cluster**** for quite some time. This is a rebuild and a huge one because we have to completely sort out out defense (also considering Thiago is on his way out sooner than later), to completely sort out our midfield because it isn‘t really allowing for a back four without one single DM and is half fit at best plus, as a bonus, 2/3 of our cert starters may leave for free next season. All this while our attack is crippled due 2/3 being out of form and the major signing from last year was seen his way out asap hence made sure to make the rebuild complete. forgot about our goalie who actually only excelled during a time we let a minimum amount of shots onto his goal.
 

And to top that we don‘t even have a DoF.

 

Not saying Tuchel doesn‘t do any mistakes but that chaotic cluster**** makes it also quite easy to make mistakes because you can only fix a hole by opening another. 
 

 

 

 

People calling for a Tuchel will do the same with  whoever comes in in 2.5 season’s. He needs to drop who needs to be dropped and give some academy guys a chance it can’t get any worst. 
Go back to basics simple direct football until we get our confidence back.

TT is getting fully back from Todd, but if he cannot motivate the players to at least try and show some passion and fight he needs to do the decent thing and resign.

You lose games, no one is perfect, but there is a way to lose them and we have been a complete embarrassment and it should not be acceptable.

Just now, axman2526 said:

TT is getting fully back from Todd, but if he cannot motivate the players to at least try and show some passion and fight he needs to do the decent thing and resign.

You lose games, no one is perfect, but there is a way to lose them and we have been a complete embarrassment and it should not be acceptable.

Put Frank Lampard in the exact same position. Would you be telling him to resign?

Tuchel f**ked up tonight. The players deserve some of the blame, but in his desperation to move away from the back 3, he's taken his eyes off the players available to him.

Can anybody here honestly say it is ever a good idea to play a back 4 with 3 over 30's? One of them a RB who can't play RB anymore because his legs have gone and another one that just looks lazy when defending. Then to protect that back 4, you have Jorginho, the last player in the world you want protecting the defence and Loftus-Cheek, a player who takes an age to make a decision on anything. No way was that team equiped to move to a back 4 formation today. Without James at RB, another younger CB (Fofana) and a DM with more physical attributes, we cannot touch the back 4 formation.

15 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Our football is terrible to watch most of the time. We have been garbage offensive in most of our games since TT came in, it was made up for by brilliant defensive and goalkeeping displays and hard work. Now we have none of those. 

I don't see TT digging us out of this, I don't think he has it in him.

Disappointing but I think an honest assessment.  I am truly having doubts now and I am gutted because I genuinely wanted us to have a more tuetonic,  harder working but entertaining set up. I wanted us to kove away from the Latin, histrionic, roll on the floor style to something of strength and metronomes relentlessness. More Munich than Madrid.  Sadly I am stating to think that TT might not have the tools for the long term project.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

TT is getting fully back from Todd, but if he cannot motivate the players to at least try and show some passion and fight he needs to do the decent thing and resign.

You lose games, no one is perfect, but there is a way to lose them and we have been a complete embarrassment and it should not be acceptable.

They were motivated and were fighting, most of them at least, but he got the tactics badly wrong today. It was set up to fail.

55 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Sarri ball isn't just possession football and Sarri never fully got us there in his 10 months with us. It's more than that and we've not come close to playing it since he left. Ironically Sarri ball is ideal for a player like Werner. It rewards forward runs and creates space. 

Did you just say Sarriball is ideal for player like timo? 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Is that not his job to organize the defence and get the team in to a mental space to react, to not surrender?

We know we cannot bin the players because we have called for that in the past when we have backed managers, we know the only solution is a managerial change because is financially viable, sacking the players is not. Is just a matter of when now not if.

Bring on the next manager, but who and how long do we give the new gaffer ? till Christmas ? what about if were in the bottom 3 by Halloween ? sack him as well ? 

Tbh i don't see many managers wanting the job. Its like giving a kid a bunch of pencils and blank sheet of paper, and expecting a Rembrandt on page 1.

 

5 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Put Frank Lampard in the exact same position. Would you be telling him to resign?

Yes, because I would rather see Frank do that than I sacked. 

2 minutes ago, coco said:

Bring on the next manager, but who and how long do we give the new gaffer ? till Christmas ? what about if were in the bottom 3 by Halloween ? sack him as well ? 

Tbh i don't see many managers wanting the job. Its like giving a kid a bunch of pencils and blank sheet of paper, and expecting a Rembrandt on page 1.

 

I would very much like a long term manager, bit I don't believe TT is that manager. Our football is terrible Coco, so terrible. How can you defend it and our meek surrender today and at Leeds?

I'll keep repeating myself, but we keep saying the same thing about the coach every couple seasons. If we keep questioning the coach every couple seasons, how is it the coach? It does seem that whichever coach we get, people will never be happy. I mean what is it that people want in a coach exactly that hasn't been there in Lampard, Sarri, Conte, Mourinho, etc, etc. There is no perfect manager.