9 minutes ago, coco said:

I have nothing against Morons or any other religious cults.

Digging the two spelling mistakes 🙂 

12 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

i don't really know what that means? is that suppose to be a derogatory term? 

It's like an Ultra, but more extreme.

7 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Name one manager in the last 10 years who was sacked too soon? 

Lampard? Jose? Conte?

I'd argue lampard was right, Jose was very right and Conte actually sacked too late as we fannied about for ages when it was clear he hated being here. 

There are arguments to be made for all of them being sacked - Lampard and Jose specifically had a terrible run of results and performances. But those same arguments could have been made at a time for Klopp during his first two seasons, Arteta recently, hell even Ferguson before he actually achieved success with Utd. But again we see the same pattern of a tenure being largely good, even titles being won, with a rough couple of months near the end.  Lampard had the remit of growing (his managerial career) with the team. He made mistakes, sure, and the football was at times atrocious, but it was around 2 bad months out of 18. Frank should have been here for 3 years at minimum, unless there was a serious threat of relegation at some point.

Another similarity most of them share is that they had disagreements with board over transfer policy near the end. The board weren't willing to ship out players in favour of the manager, or provide them with the necessary resources timeously. In contrast look at the how Pep, Klopp and most recently Arteta are backed over their players (outgoings). Tuchel would have been sacked during preseason for wanting Sterling, wanting Koulibaly ahead of Kounde, and trying to move Lukaku, Werner etc out the door. They were never going to ship out Alonso, Jorginho, Kepa, Rudiger, Azpilicueta to appease Lampard. And how valuable are these players to the club now?

Going back just over 10 years and you get the most egregious one - Carlo. Saw the club through a difficult second season with key injuries. Had some aging players and a team needing a refresh. Disagreements with board of transfer policy. Ciao.

A win against west ham would be a good way to avoid all talks about sacking.

22 hours ago, Nevamind said:

What i don't get is why does Tuchel insists on playing Jorghino, Havertz or for that matter any senior player. 

Time and time again and you see it with others coaches too, they rather play their favourites into the ground than give young/new players a chance. Why did Tuchel and staff let Chukuweameka, Billy, Ampadu or Broja (yes he got some minutes yesterdaystay) stay when they aren't used what so ever. 

Is Billy or Ampadu really that much worse than Jorghino in a back four? Is there no trust in our players? 

I get you can then say "it's the wrong game to bring them in" or idk what the excuse is but if they are in the first team they should be used, especially when there are so many injuries. 

 

It's almost as if most top managers want to rely on experience during hard spells, instead of chucking in kids and hoping it goes well. Shocking. 

Lampard did the opposite, guess where that got him? 

2 hours ago, venom2011 said:

There are arguments to be made for all of them being sacked - Lampard and Jose specifically had a terrible run of results and performances. But those same arguments could have been made at a time for Klopp during his first two seasons, Arteta recently, hell even Ferguson before he actually achieved success with Utd. But again we see the same pattern of a tenure being largely good, even titles being won, with a rough couple of months near the end.  Lampard had the remit of growing (his managerial career) with the team. He made mistakes, sure, and the football was at times atrocious, but it was around 2 bad months out of 18. Frank should have been here for 3 years at minimum, unless there was a serious threat of relegation at some point.

Another similarity most of them share is that they had disagreements with board over transfer policy near the end. The board weren't willing to ship out players in favour of the manager, or provide them with the necessary resources timeously. In contrast look at the how Pep, Klopp and most recently Arteta are backed over their players (outgoings). Tuchel would have been sacked during preseason for wanting Sterling, wanting Koulibaly ahead of Kounde, and trying to move Lukaku, Werner etc out the door. They were never going to ship out Alonso, Jorginho, Kepa, Rudiger, Azpilicueta to appease Lampard. And how valuable are these players to the club now?

Going back just over 10 years and you get the most egregious one - Carlo. Saw the club through a difficult second season with key injuries. Had some aging players and a team needing a refresh. Disagreements with board of transfer policy. Ciao.

Excellent post👍

14 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Who should have played instead of Azpi? 

Tomorrow was the wrong time to play a back 4.. it wasn’t about personnel.

Azpi in a back 3 .. ampadu in midfield  RLC as wingback

2 hours ago, venom2011 said:

There are arguments to be made for all of them being sacked - Lampard and Jose specifically had a terrible run of results and performances. But those same arguments could have been made at a time for Klopp during his first two seasons, Arteta recently, hell even Ferguson before he actually achieved success with Utd. But again we see the same pattern of a tenure being largely good, even titles being won, with a rough couple of months near the end.  Lampard had the remit of growing (his managerial career) with the team. He made mistakes, sure, and the football was at times atrocious, but it was around 2 bad months out of 18. Frank should have been here for 3 years at minimum, unless there was a serious threat of relegation at some point.

Another similarity most of them share is that they had disagreements with board over transfer policy near the end. The board weren't willing to ship out players in favour of the manager, or provide them with the necessary resources timeously. In contrast look at the how Pep, Klopp and most recently Arteta are backed over their players (outgoings). Tuchel would have been sacked during preseason for wanting Sterling, wanting Koulibaly ahead of Kounde, and trying to move Lukaku, Werner etc out the door. They were never going to ship out Alonso, Jorginho, Kepa, Rudiger, Azpilicueta to appease Lampard. And how valuable are these players to the club now?

Going back just over 10 years and you get the most egregious one - Carlo. Saw the club through a difficult second season with key injuries. Had some aging players and a team needing a refresh. Disagreements with board of transfer policy. Ciao.

Carlo cool, but I said last 10. I said 10 deliberately. 

Frank lampard was never going to be klopp or arteta with time. He had no clue how to fix the issues, he had no plan. That's why he was sacked. 

If frank had stayed another 6 months, we'd have failed to qualify for Europe and we'd have failed to win the champions league. 

Why did you include Kepa and Alonso? Lampard got Mendy and Chilwell brought in! Conte got Costa out the club as well. This idea Roman didn't back his managers is nonsense. He backed the managers too much at times. 

Anyway, tuchel shouldn't be sacked now. And if Roman was still here and sacked him now, it would have been an anomaly, not the norm. Roman gave managers a lot more rope than people go on about. 

Edited September 1, 20223 yr by bisright1

He shouldn't be sacked till at least the end of the season. 

In a way he's only just beginning to build his team, though looking a poorly assembled one right now but he should put it together and get the benefit of a season. 

 

9 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

You can see already, the Premier league seems far mor competitive this season, unless your Man City, in which teams are just gonna get Haalanded

wtf we ain’t prioritised a top striker is beyond my fathomability, Score goals win games…… 

To be fair, there aren't really any top strikers available at the moment. Which is why the club probably decided to go for a stop gap until we can actually scout for one or develop one on our own (AKA Broja)

5 games to see what he wants to play with the players assembled. I'd reserve my judgment until all 5 games have been played

7 hours ago, hawkster said:

Havent a clue , just a suggestion , but he couldn't have been any worse in my opinion 

Dujon Sterling was one possible option that has experience at RB. He has had a couple of decent loans too. But we just sent him off to Stoke on loan today.

3 hours ago, venom2011 said:

It's almost as if most top managers want to rely on experience during hard spells, instead of chucking in kids and hoping it goes well. Shocking. 

Lampard did the opposite, guess where that got him? 

Not true, Klopp yesterday fielded Elliot (19) and Carvalho (20), and they have had a hard start this season.

18 minutes ago, RMH said:

Not true, Klopp yesterday fielded Elliot (19) and Carvalho (20), and they have had a hard start this season.

Carvalho has been making 20 min cameos. And they have injuries in midfield. Milner also can't play every game. If he had experienced options on the bench they'd play. 

4 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

Carvalho has been making 20 min cameos. And they have injuries in midfield. Milner also can't play every game. If he had experienced options on the bench they'd play. 

It would have to be seen, but Elliot has been starting and 20 minutes cameo when they were chasing the game, I wouldn’t call that a cameo. Klopp probably starts the youngsters in their position and that is why they are working out well for him, who would have thought.

The good thing about signing 50 new players this window is that there must be at least a few that would fit a new manager's system 

Really think we need to back him, very rocky last 6 months for the club..

Considering how big of an input he has had in spending the money, it would be ridiculous to let him go without giving his signings time to settle, especially when he has already proven he can win the top trophies. 

Klopp lost 6 or 7 home games on the bounce during an injury crisis, Tuchel has had to deal with the whole spirit of his dressing room getting ripped apart by uncertainty over players future with the sanctions. 

He has then had to take on a massive role in recruitment and trying to trim a massively bloated squad, with transfer blunders from the last 5 years. 

Results and performances have suffered on the pitch, but let's give him and the board time to get the right people in place, so Tuchel can focus solely on the football. 

We were never going to win the league this year, or even challenge in my opinion, there has been far too much upheaval for that to compete with a world class settled squads, coached by the best managers, who also added quality again over the summer.

It's going to be a real scrap for top 4, but that is where we are right now, as long as I see improvement, and more performances like the spurs, rather than Southampton, then I will back him 100% as I dont think we could replace him with anyone better.

12 hours ago, dkw said:

We really dont look very good at home. He has the one of the worst league home record of any manager since Roman arrived, if not actually the worst at 48% wins.

I meant this season we were much better than Tottenham and Leicester 

Well he got his squad, the most ever spent by a British club in one transfer window, no excuses now and he needs to get us playing much much better football and get results. 

7 minutes ago, dkw said:

Well he got his squad, the most ever spent by a British club in one transfer window, no excuses now and he needs to get us playing much much better football and get results. 

Not really his squad yet. We are in the biggest transition period in nearly two decades and this window was a good start but there is a long way to go.

2 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Not really his squad yet. We are in the biggest transition period in nearly two decades and this window was a good start but there is a long way to go.

Yep - he's now bought 7 out of the 25 in our first team squad.

As you say, a good start. 

The big thing for me is that it now looks like we are better balanced. We have defenders that can play in 4 at the back, and we have more midfielders to allow 3 in midfield, or to cover injuries. In theory we also have some forwards that can score ... obviously everything is unproven and "good on paper"  at this point, so over to TT and the players to make it work on the pitch.

22 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Yep - he's now bought 7 out of the 25 in our first team squad.

 

So its not his squad until hes bought all 25 squad players? He has got rid of loads of players, brought in 7 to add to his team, at least 5 will start, possibly even 6 once the Swiss lad settles. Thats over half the outfield players are now his signings, added to the ones he wants to keep. Its his squad, there is no nuance here.

5 minutes ago, dkw said:

So its not his squad until hes bought all 25 squad players? He has got rid of loads of players, brought in 7 to add to his team, at least 5 will start, possibly even 6 once the Swiss lad settles. Thats over half the outfield players are now his signings, added to the ones he wants to keep. Its his squad, there is no nuance here.

Your logic circuits are completely fried when it comes to any discussion on Tuchel LOL ... he could win us the quadruple and you'd still find stuff to have a pop at him about. All good fun though. This place would be boring as f**k if we all thought the same about everything !

35 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Not really his squad yet. We are in the biggest transition period in nearly two decades and this window was a good start but there is a long way to go.

Sorry but that is total bollocks, he has had carte blanche to choose the players he wanted this summer. The owner has backed him fully, probably paying a little more than he wanted on some. The fact that he chose to wait till the final day of window to try to upgrade a flaw that most of us see in midfield is on him.  If he now doesn't get us playing a brand of football that is more pleasing on the eye whilst winning it is solely down to Tommy, NO IFS BUTS OR MAYBE'S. No coach will get a squad totally brought him by him unless he stays a very long time or was the initial incumbent.

6 minutes ago, charierre said:

Sorry but that is total bollocks, he has had carte blanche to choose the players he wanted this summer. The owner has backed him fully, probably paying a little more than he wanted on some. The fact that he chose to wait till the final day of window to try to upgrade a flaw that most of us see in midfield is on him.  If he now doesn't get us playing a brand of football that is more pleasing on the eye whilst winning it is solely down to Tommy, NO IFS BUTS OR MAYBE'S. No coach will get a squad totally brought him by him unless he stays a very long time or was the initial incumbent.

Well, yes.

But large parts of the summer and large parts of the transfer budget had to be spent on replacing two top class defenders our last director gave away for free. Not saying he wasn't supported because he was but for this window we had to focus on defence first and foremost and that's what we have done. Midfield and attack isn't really "his" yet despite Sterling, Aubameyang and Zakaria and we have a long way to go there before we can compete with Manchester City. Which should be the goal here.