1 minute ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Honestly sick of the united w**kfest

I''m sick of their w**king, out of all the top 4 contenders they are the most cocky and therefore they will suffer the most when things like this happen. Wind your neck in 5thchester!

2 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Mate there were people in the matchday thread after the Sheffield result saying Ole is doing a good job at United... 3 games left and they're still behind us, absolutely no excuse. They've spent over 200 million, already had well established players and top quality, and are still outside of the top 4, unbelievable. Yet we get absolutely no credit for staying in the top 4 for a full year after we were predicted to finish about 10th before the season kicked off. 

And we have had a transfer ban. 
 

 

Southampton should have been down to 10, got away with it and got a point. 

Maybe the conspiracy theory's can stop now! 

12 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

This is like last season where everyone was falling over themselves to not come third

Edit: point already made

Edited July 13, 20206 yr by TheSage

Yet Lampard is doing a terrible job with the academy players and no new signings. Ole is performing miracles at Old Trafford with the 60m Fernandes, Pogba, Rashford, Martial etc.

The table doesn’t lie. 

Chelsea 3rd

United 5th

Harry Maguire was wrestling with his own team mate during that final corner lol

1 minute ago, Jezq8 said:

And we have had a transfer ban. 
 

 

And losing Hazard, and having Rudiger/Kante injured throughout half the season, and having our young talents CHO/Loftus-Cheek out and recovering from injuries. Yet Lampard has still managed to keep us in the top 4 all season. Yet all we ever hear about is how good United look. Well I should f**king hope so, they've spent the most money all season and have done nothing but spend spend spend for years, it's about time they're starting to play some football. But where is our credit? After being wrote off completely by everyone at the start. 

Just now, sonic90 said:

I''m sick of their w**king, out of all the top 4 contenders they are the most cocky and therefore they will suffer the most when things like this happen. Wind your neck in 5thchester!

You aren't far from the truth. United fans go very quiet when their form drops, but when it improves, they get ahead of themselves and start boasting. I see it on here too. United fans that haven't logged in for months suddenly appear when United get a run of good form going.

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

Southampton should have been down to 10, got away with it and got a point. 

Maybe the conspiracy theory's can stop now! 

Not into the conspriacies so much but that penalty last week was the most disgusting decision I've seen in a long time, the worst of the season by far. No excuses with VAR involved. And what made everyone more mad is how Sky, the main broadcasters weren't interested in talking much about it, because they had Neville commentating on the game who was quiet as a mouse, then Evra & Keane covering the game at half time. If that was us, they would be screaming about the penalty decision and how it affects the top 4 race and how VAR isn't working correctly, you know damn well that would be the case, because we don't have any pundits there, so we don't get that protection. The most we get right now is Jamie Redknapp lmao, just because he's Franks cousin. 

2 minutes ago, sonic90 said:

Harry Maguire was wrestling with his own team mate during that final corner lol

But he's the second coming of Jesus Christ

This is like our 10th life now we better not f**k this up tomorrow

@saintquin Yeah, your boys did ok. 

24 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Not into the conspriacies so much but that penalty last week was the most disgusting decision I've seen in a long time, the worst of the season by far. No excuses with VAR involved. And what made everyone more mad is how Sky, the main broadcasters weren't interested in talking much about it, because they had Neville commentating on the game who was quiet as a mouse, then Evra & Keane covering the game at half time. If that was us, they would be screaming about the penalty decision and how it affects the top 4 race and how VAR isn't working correctly, you know damn well that would be the case, because we don't have any pundits there, so we don't get that protection. The most we get right now is Jamie Redknapp lmao, just because he's Franks cousin. 

Sky are just full of Liverpool people and they are clearly looking to increase their Man Utd pundits as well.

Out of all the Liverpool & Man Utd people on Sky I think Kelly Cates is the most impartial & professional.

Edited July 13, 20206 yr by 2211

32 minutes ago, Argo said:

Southampton should have been down to 10, got away with it and got a point. 

Maybe the conspiracy theory's can stop now! 

Do us a favour, they have had more than enough dodgy decisions since before football was invented

Well, that was disappointing. 

Feels like every single time we have had a chance to break into the top four, the team collectively sh*ts the bed. The mentality to thrive under pressure is still missing at United. 

The starting XI is absolutely knackered for us, and it is starting to show. We can't do much about it because despite all the money we've spent, we have no squad depth at all. That's the reason Pogba missing for 6 months derails our season, or Martial being out for two months dries up our goals or Rashford being out of form makes us look toothless. Today it was both Pogba and Bruno being too tired to deal with their high press in particular. De Gea in particular should have come out to clear that corner, but good keeping is apparently a rare thing these days. 

Top teams have this characteristic of picking up points when they're having a bad game - I don't United are there yet. 

All that said, Greenwood was lucky to get away unscathed from that loathsome Romeu tackle - I understand that oppo fans think it was karma for Bruno's penalty last game but think of him doing that to Pulisic and breaking an ankle. I have no idea how he was not even given a yellow, forget a red. They saw us tired and left in late tackles all game. 

Anyways, the race for CL keeps getting more interesting. I wonder if this spurs on Chelsea to actually get a result against Liverpool. My hopes are tied to another Leicester capitulation next week, however. 

 

46 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Yet Lampard is doing a terrible job with the academy players and no new signings. Ole is performing miracles at Old Trafford with the 60m Fernandes, Pogba, Rashford, Martial etc.

The table doesn’t lie. 

Chelsea 3rd

United 5th

I don't think anyone is denying Lampard any credit. I'm on RedCafe as well, and he's pretty highly rated by quite a few. His ability to organise a defence is under question, but he doesn't have his players yet. 

Ole is doing a very good job at United considering that we have far lesser squad depth than Chelsea and have had Pogba, Martial and Rashford miss huge parts of the season. There is a sense of unity about the team, and we try to play attractive attacking football. It remains to be seen if he can win silverware with us, but he's definitely the correct man for our transition into a side that looks and plays like Manchester United are supposed to. His decision to let go of Lukaku and Sanchez and trust Martial up front and give chances to Greenwood are both masterstrokes. After the damage Jose had done to Shaw's confidence, he's got him playing well again, too. And he always gets decent results in the big games. 

56 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Yet Lampard is doing a terrible job with the academy players and no new signings. Ole is performing miracles at Old Trafford with the 60m Fernandes, Pogba, Rashford, Martial etc.

The table doesn’t lie. 

Chelsea 3rd

United 5th

 

1 hour ago, Gandalf Greyhame said:

I don't think anyone is denying Lampard any credit. I'm on RedCafe as well, and he's pretty highly rated by quite a few. His ability to organise a defence is under question, but he doesn't have his players yet. 

Ole is doing a very good job at United considering that we have far lesser squad depth than Chelsea and have had Pogba, Martial and Rashford miss huge parts of the season. There is a sense of unity about the team, and we try to play attractive attacking football. It remains to be seen if he can win silverware with us, but he's definitely the correct man for our transition into a side that looks and plays like Manchester United are supposed to. His decision to let go of Lukaku and Sanchez and trust Martial up front and give chances to Greenwood are both masterstrokes. After the damage Jose had done to Shaw's confidence, he's got him playing well again, too. And he always gets decent results in the big games. 

Not to attack you or anything, I appreciate you coming on. But I have to disagree with that Ole bit. I know we all have our own perceptions of media and other fans, but the United w**kfest was f**king irritating. And Ole isn't doing a good job at all, United shouldn't be behind us. You've had years of transition, high spending, and you should be in top shape by now. We've had a transfer ban and had much harsher circumstances yet we're above United? Don't forget we've had many injuries also and I wouldn't say we have great squad depth either. 

I think Ole has done a terrible job. You'll still get 3rd, I wouldn't worry about that, but Ole will be getting ridiculous praise for it when he should never have been fighting for it in the first place, 5th place with 3 games to go? That's unacceptable, with the budget you have, the money you've spent, the well established players you currrently have, Martial, Pogba, Rashford, De Gea, Matic, Fred, Lindelof, Shaw, all who have played together for years now and have experience playing together, there's no excuse. If it wasn't for you splashing the cash out on Fernandes who has won you loads of points on his own, it's likely you would be behind Spurs/Arsenal or at least scrapping with them. 

Save it for the FA cup.

Thank god. 

We could have secured 3rd had we won against West Ham and Sheffield. 

Absolutely no excuses to not go all out against Norwich, Pool and Wolves.

I hope Frank lets the B team play Bayern. There is no way we are going to overturn a 3 goal deficit with the way we are right now

55 minutes ago, Deino said:

Thank god. 

We could have secured 3rd had we won against West Ham and Sheffield. 

Absolutely no excuses to not go all out against Norwich, Pool and Wolves.

I hope Frank lets the B team play Bayern. There is no way we are going to overturn a 3 goal deficit with the way we are right now

Champions League isn't until after the season ends, so I doubt we'll be fielding a B team, we'll certainly be trying our best, even though the tie is already finished. 

@saintquin thank you ?

6 hours ago, Slojo said:

Not to attack you or anything, I appreciate you coming on. But I have to disagree with that Ole bit. I know we all have our own perceptions of media and other fans, but the United w**kfest was f**king irritating. And Ole isn't doing a good job at all, United shouldn't be behind us. You've had years of transition, high spending, and you should be in top shape by now. We've had a transfer ban and had much harsher circumstances yet we're above United? Don't forget we've had many injuries also and I wouldn't say we have great squad depth either. 

I think Ole has done a terrible job. You'll still get 3rd, I wouldn't worry about that, but Ole will be getting ridiculous praise for it when he should never have been fighting for it in the first place, 5th place with 3 games to go? That's unacceptable, with the budget you have, the money you've spent, the well established players you currrently have, Martial, Pogba, Rashford, De Gea, Matic, Fred, Lindelof, Shaw, all who have played together for years now and have experience playing together, there's no excuse. If it wasn't for you splashing the cash out on Fernandes who has won you loads of points on his own, it's likely you would be behind Spurs/Arsenal or at least scrapping with them. 

I cannot comment on the w**kfest. Every club has an irritating section of gloaters who think their club is the second coming of Pep's Barcelona after winning a game or two. United has more fans than most clubs, so it follows that there will be more gloaters and irritating fans. If you're pissed, it's probably rightly so. We're definitely better than the surprsingly smug folks over at Foxestalk or the cringey clusterfeck that is RAWK, but those are very low standards.

Also, yes, we have had years of transition and yes we are the second highest spending club after Man City since SAF left. But a lack of success despite that is a damning indictment against the management at the highest level (read: Woodward) and the managers who couldn't make that investment count for diddly squat (read: Mourinho). Woodward showed a big wad of notes to everyone, and he got swindled by his own managers. We've pissed money away like anything, yep. But to judge Ole's transfers you should consider Maguire (overpaid by about 30m), AWB (underpaid by about 10m), Dan James (a punt for the future at 15m, but not ready right now) and in the January window - Bruno Fernandes (who's been a revelation since he joined).

After adding Maguire and AWB, defensively we're the third best side in the league (35 GA) behind Sheffield United (33 GA) and Man City (34 GA) without being the defensive outfit we were under Mourinho. As for Bruno, I think his numbers speak for themselves. Ole hasn't been properly backed yet, and he's done very well with the signings made so far. 

I don't agree with the harsher circumstances, either. For instance, from your list - Pogba missed 39 games due to his ankle injury from September last year till the restart, Rashford missed 12 games this season, and was out for almost a month and a half with his back issues. Since the restart, he's not looked like himself. Similarly, Martial missed 14 games, too. United don't have the squad to deal with such injuries to key players. Without Pogba, there was no creativity from midfield at all, without Rashford we had no wide goal threat (no RW at the club, but that's another story) and without Martial we didn't have a striker. Matic blows hot and cold - any run of games leaves him knackered very easily, and De Gea has had his worst season for United since SAF left (he's arguably cost us more points this season with individual errors). Fans of every club bar Man City will feel that their backups are terrible, but unless you've had a season where you've been forced to provide 118 combined appearances (6880 minutes) to the world-beating trio of Jesse Lingard, Andreas Pereira and Dan James - I would argue that you don't really know how poor United's backups to the starting XI are. It was torture to see our one or two decent players being double marked while the rest of them made buffoons of themselves. The only reason we were a counter-attacking team was because we had no creativity to break down a defence at all, and every team with a low block nicked points off us very easily till Bruno came along. 

He has flaws, too, obviously. He's very late and passive with his subs, and sometimes he's too ambitious for his own good. We should not played our first teamers for 120 minutes against Norwich in the cup - it is coming back to haunt us now. Even now he should be resting the likes of Martial, Bruno, Matic and AWB against you lot in the semi-final, but watch him field his knackered best XI and get another injury just in time for that Leicester game. He is also too stubbornly faithful - he stuck with Lingard way more than he should have and we lost Angel Gomes as a result. We should have dropped De Gea for a game or two after his horror shows of late, but he persisted and De Gea promptly dropped more points for us (see him not coming out to claim the ball in yesterday's corner). 

Like I said, it remains to be seen if he can actually win silverware with United but the squad is a shambles thanks to the wrecking ball of a manager we had earlier and the ineptitude of the recruitment but Ole is the first manager who's shaping the squad in a positive way. There's a togetherness to the team, we try to play positive football and we have some great results under him already. His man management is a far greater asset than his tactical ability. The restart has been the first time that Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Bruno played together.and we scored 14 goals in 4 games. 1 point from 3rd with 3 games left in the season is quite a remarkable achievement for Ole considering the players he had available throughout this season and we still have the Europa League left. 

 

10 hours ago, Imran_CFC said:

Thank you Southampton!!! 

Agreed.

I will admit I hoped but never honestly thought they would get an equaliser last night.