43 minutes ago, RMH said:

Look, I’m not against stats and I use them a fair bit in my job, but if you tell me that stats show that bit to be true, then I’m basically ditching them and start using magic. Statistics are great when used properly and create some expectations of the reality, but there is always that p<0.05 to make them significant.

It's not surprising, we have been underwhelming overall anyway...

6 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

So if I interpret correctly a double 6 is two defensive type midfielders, right?

Double 6 means that you play with 2 defensive midfielders or pivots, but they have different roles. There are different methods in which you can use them, i will refer to the one I think we will see at Chelsea. One of them (Kante) get down on the construction between the two central defenders, while the flakns go up. The second pivot (Kovacic / Jorginho) provides the option to pass in the middle, and an offensive midfielder (Havertz / Mount) descends and covers the missing space left by the pivot who retreated between the central defenders. As the ball go further, one of them goes to destabilize an area of the pitch and create superiority through his presence, the other one will have more defensive mentality. They can rotate between them depending on the situation.  Hope that makes sense.  In my had...it does😀

30 minutes ago, Dragos said:

Hope that makes sense.  In my had...it does😀

That's a great typo 😁

25 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

That's a great typo 😁

A smile never hurts. We are also relieving ourselves, too much pressure lately.😉

A little off topic, but made me laugh!

See if you can spot the odd one out in Tuchel's coaching staff (this is classic Sun journalism). 

9 minutes ago, Hessleboink said:

A little off topic, but made me laugh!

See if you can spot the odd one out in Tuchel's coaching staff (this is classic Sun journalism). 

The wife decides if he sleeps on the couch.

Edited January 28, 20215 yr by Dragos

21 minutes ago, Dragos said:

The wife decides if he sleeps on the couch.

I hear she's a big Mount fan, which is why he's been hobbling around Cobham with a bad back all week. 

Regarding analytics I am sure Tuchel uses them extensively. I personally am an analyst so I do support analytics. But anyone who listened to that press conference would have heard him say that the big thing is creating a culture. He didn't use that word, but players bonding, talking, joking, arguing, giving it all for each other not even for the club. 

So its being able to blend analytics with the bigger things so that you have the right players on the field and putting it the other way  the players on the field are the right players because they are the ones on the field and have the responsibility to get the job done for themselves and for their mates and then for the club.

The analytics can be used to explain why certain decisions are made, what players do well what they need to work on, what at the team does well and what needs to be worked on. The two most important analytics are the premier league table and the score in the current game.

3 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

On that point if we look back, how many managers would have taken the job with a side needing rebuilding and no a transfer ban?

I don't recall many if any other names being in the frame.

Didn't realise I never indicated my response to you. Apologies. 

 

3 hours ago, abister1 said:

I agree with you and like I said elsewhere there was never a serious clamour for anyone else cos it seemed the management had been railroaded down the Lampard route by a concerted media campaign and fan clamour. 

Note all this started not after Sarri left but as soon as Lampard got the job with Derby. There was this theme of future Chelsea manager that pervaded the airwaves driven by, surprise surprise, his English buddies in the media and it had a strong English bias to it which the sacking also has seen. 

If I was a cynic, I would say part of the ridicule Sarri was put through as well as never being fully accepted by some part of the fan base was a symptom of this. 

Let's not act ignorant to the fact that the Chelsea board and management read and watch the same news we do and like it or not, they will be swayed due to the perceived desire of the fans for Lampard to be the man in charge. And that's where we should credit them cause they listen. The only difference being that, as an element of the club directly involved with making CFC a success, they will be less sentimental than fans and hence we now hear there were a few not in support of handing the job to Lamps at the time too. 

I'm gonna make bold and say if Lampard was not in football management we would still have had a football manager that season would we not have? 

So many people would have taken on the job if given a chance, not that they were given and declined. In fact, the club got sentimental and went with Lampard and once he was in the frame, with his Legend status, no one else stood a chance. 

 

9 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

So if I interpret correctly a double 6 is two defensive type midfielders, right?

Basically you play two dm, not defensive type per se, just they sit behind the ball majority of the time 

1 hour ago, Dragos said:

Double 6 means that you play with 2 defensive midfielders or pivots, but they have different roles. There are different methods in which you can use them, i will refer to the one I think we will see at Chelsea. One of them (Kante) get down on the construction between the two central defenders, while the flakns go up. The second pivot (Kovacic / Jorginho) provides the option to pass in the middle, and an offensive midfielder (Havertz / Mount) descends and covers the missing space left by the pivot who retreated between the central defenders. As the ball go further, one of them goes to destabilize an area of the pitch and create superiority through his presence, the other one will have more defensive mentality. They can rotate between them depending on the situation.  Hope that makes sense.  In my had...it does😀

Great write up one of the videos i posted from youtube has the exact analysis

45 minutes ago, Brutos said:

Great write up one of the videos i posted from youtube has the exact analysis

I didn't copy any videos, as if I had no other business. I studied Tuchel's style of play before signing with Chelsea. Today, i think it was very clear when he talked about Kante and i think this is the system he will use most of the time: with two on the back, not with three. Although at PSG he has often played lately with 3 on the back, but let's keep in mind that Marquinhos is at the base central defender, not midfielder. He didnt have a proper player for that role, that's why i think he wanted kante. And this tactic with double 6 is not invented by him. By the way, i searched for that the video, it's pretty good.

Edited January 29, 20215 yr by Dragos

5 hours ago, abister1 said:

The reason I was opposed to him managing us when the rumours started and even after he got appointed isn't even that I didn't want him to have any dent to his Legend status as some feared may happen, if and when the inevitable poor performances and subsequent sacking came.

Well, he’s been sacked now but to me he’s even a bigger legend than he was before managing us.

He brought a whole lot of academy players to first team, and if they go on to win multiple trophies with us over the next decade or longer - That’ll be Frank’s legacy.

Super Frankie Lampard!

14 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Did we struggle yesterday? We dominated the game. Did we reach top 4 and top 3 with Jorginho in the last 2 seasons? I think Tuchel won't play like this every game but if he wants to reach top 4 there is already a clue how to do it.

We created nothing though, it was reminiscent of our time with Sarri. Maybe worse because we had Hazard back then. 

If you plan to play Jorginho at the base then you need to keep the ball as much as possible. But can we score enough goals to win game playing that way? We scored more goals last season without Hazard than our season with Sarri. 

5 hours ago, Dragos said:

As the ball go further, one of them goes to destabilize an area of the pitch and create superiority through his presence, the other one will have more defensive mentality. They can rotate between them depending on the situation.  Hope that makes sense.  In my had...it does😀

I think double pivot is simply mean you play two midfield rather than 3. Probably more relevant defensively rather offensively because offensively you can change around easily. 

Should be sacked immediately:

The only note of controversy came when Tuchel admitted to a childhood love of Tottenham, who host his side next Thursday. “Now I’m absolutely aware I work for their big rivals,” he said. “You can be very, very sure we will do everything we can to beat them.”

The whole possession style of play, whilst looks good is pretty meaningless in the PL with teams parking the bus. 

9 hours ago, Hessleboink said:

A little off topic, but made me laugh!

See if you can spot the odd one out in Tuchel's coaching staff (this is classic Sun journalism). 

 

14 minutes ago, JM7 said:

The whole possession style of play, whilst looks good is pretty meaningless in the PL with teams parking the bus. 

Exactly the PL is about speed and physicality. The teams that have won the PL most of them employ fast counterattacking strategies. 

Even Pep the only person to employ a successful possession-based tactics do so only in defence, his City team are fast at counterattacking. 

28 minutes ago, Deino said:

Exactly the PL is about speed and physicality. The teams that have won the PL most of them employ fast counterattacking strategies. 

Even Pep the only person to employ a successful possession-based tactics do so only in defence, his City team are fast at counterattacking. 

Ok, you want counter attack. Let's take wolves game, how do we play counter attack against them?

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Ok, you want counter attack. Let's take wolves game, how do we play counter attack against them?

Our midfield seem to think if they stay in the center circle passing it around in little triangles, the opposition will have to come out to play, but unfortunately they don't fall for sh*t like that.

Spuds tried the wolves low block iagainst Liverpool but it didn’t work despite they had way better counter attackers than wolves  

livetpools strategy seemed to be to play it into the box, into 5o:50s as often as they could. Well they weren’t really 50:50 they lost most of them, but then  with heavy press maybe you get immediate turnover and transition and Liverpool mostly avoided getting caught on the counter. 

the constant pressure tired the defenders mentally a bit and they started making a few mistakes. It wasn’t brilliant football by Liverpool, it was just hard, fast and persistent. 

8 hours ago, Bob stark said:

We created nothing though, it was reminiscent of our time with Sarri. Maybe worse because we had Hazard back then. 

If you plan to play Jorginho at the base then you need to keep the ball as much as possible. But can we score enough goals to win game playing that way? We scored more goals last season without Hazard than our season with Sarri. 

We scored more goals, we played an open game most of the time and Lampard instructed the team to be much more direct. But at the same time we conceded way more goals as well, to an unhealthy level I might add 

Tuchel seems to have a similar view like Lampard, of how the team should play.

He wants the high press to take back possession as soon as possible so that the opposition can't counter attack, he wants people to cut inside and he's talking very positively about our players. This is something that Lampard did till the very last game, he was positive even about Werner despite him missing a great chance. This shows to me that Lampard is a good manager, he sees the game in "the most recent version of it" but he lacked some experience and the fact that the squad has the same problem well that didn't help him...

 

36 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Spuds tried the wolves low block iagainst Liverpool but it didn’t work despite they had way better counter attackers than wolves  

Tottenham's main issue last night was 3atb. How many more managers will try that against Liverpool until they realise It doesn't work? Mane an Salah are perfectly primed to take advantage of those half spaces between outside CB and middle CB with the fullbacks doing likewise with outside CB and wingback.

4 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

Should be sacked immediately:

 

 

F*c k me!! Nobody mentioned he was a Tottenham fan!! Why wasn't this the first question asked at the job interview?

This just gets worse and worse!!