11 minutes ago, embattle said:

Oh and I utterly hate how modern defenders have become utter wusses when it comes to getting hit by the ball, turning sideways is never a good look and offers more room.

This. That's the post I would have written.  Let it smash you in the face as long as it's stopped.

To sum up what I think a lot of the fans feel is we weren't good enough today but we were still robbed a genuine goal. I'll be honest I didn't celebrate the goal because I wasn't sure it was on, upon the first replay I believed it was on. Now I actually coach an under 15s team and would like to think I know football...but that's the thing I don't.

This season I have looked up the offside rule more times than ever before to just make sure I understand and to this day I have no understanding of the Fa's appliance of this rule. Yes we have seen those goals given as offside throughout the season but for a final and for such small margins its ridiculous.

I will now give the most objective account of Var possible it was brought in to add a new level of accuracy for football but it hasn't in fact it has made football into more of a unreliable less accurate game. To quote the official rules " A player is in an offside position if:

• any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
• any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
• The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered."  

The last line is the one I'm concerned with because too many times this rule has been ignored. So its simple if you are going to give decisions like this you cannot merely say offside we the spectators, the players, the coaches and everyone else involved need to be given a specific reason why. Not just shown a picture with a convenient drawn line.

Clear and obvious error has to be what var is used for yet there are so many loop holes 2nd yellow cards cannot be overturned for example.

Its fine to have a system in place like var but its not fine to make these crucial decisions and not give an explanation and I understand some images its obvious someone is offside but in cases like these how can we say this is textbook offside without the referee telling us why?

How else are we meant to interpret a decision if judging purely of the eye test it contradicts the very rule it claims to be enforcing?

His body, legs and feet are behind the line and I believe shoulder as well so surely its his hand or arm judged to be offside which again isn't a legal offside decision.

6 minutes ago, Stas1 said:

We lost because we were sh*t. Nothing to do with VAR

Not true, Leicester had 1 shot on target and scored from it and then our goal was not allowed so VAR has a huge factor in this game that can't be ignored nor denied.

Don’t care what he brings but I don’t think I can bare watching another season of Jorginho.

Still confused about the non-handball decision. Here is the law:

Quote

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
• after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
• scores in the opponents’ goal
• creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
• the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
• the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.

The handball is indisputable, and the goal-scoring opportunity arose as a result. 

I'll be interested to hear the official explanation.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, 2211 said:

The reality is, as I’m sure we will see in the next couple of weeks is nobody wants us to succeed accept Chelsea fans.

None of that would even matter if we had players mentally strong enough to block out the noise and get on with the job in hand and knuckle down to work.

The real problem is we don’t have nowhere near enough of those characters at the club.

We've been the media whipping boys since 1970. How does it go, "No one likes us , we don't care".

I am so upset and frustrated. Just stewing at home drinking coffee. Maybe I should have something stronger. 

It pains me to say it but we were woeful today. I lost count of the number of times we passed the ball backwards, lost posession or just lumped it forward to nobody. Leicester were all over us like a rash and a good many fouls by them went unpunished but we offered nothing at all in this game.  It was painfull to watch. 

1 hour ago, ashwin said:

Maybe good to read the post I replied to? 

We are talking about a higher ceiling. Of course our team has a higher ceiling, there's no way that Leicester team is making the Champs League final. But the strongest team in paper doesn't always win.

Fair enough, I haven’t read the quote before the quote, but I disagree that Leicester wouldn’t make the CL final. If we’ve managed it then they could have too.

21 minutes ago, embattle said:

Oh and I utterly hate how modern defenders have become utter wusses when it comes to getting hit by the ball, turning sideways is never a good look and offers more room.

Ah the old days .... 🙂

22 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Yes you can, if Leicester's goal wasn't allowed because of VAR for whatever reason and our goal was allowed then they would have lost the game unfairly as well. You can't ignore the biggest decision in the game, a clear goal getting erased after some millimeter fake offside, specially not in a final where the two teams are very similar, that alone changed everything. 

I'm not ignoring it but I'm not blaming it on our loss. The offside hinges on a frame on a tv and it can't be called a fake offside but we didn't lose just because of that. 

24 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

You're talking horsesh*t. 

Do you know how this reads to me? This is how I am reading it "never mind losing two finals, because if we make top 4, we can celebrate giving it another go next season"

It's such a losers mentality, almost Tottenham like. I don't celebrate taking part, I celebrate winning. 

Anybody that isn't fussed about losing a cup final doesn't understand the passion for the game. If this how you feel, then you must have loved the idea of the Super League. After all, we would have been guaranteed to take part in that every season. 

Our most successful era was built on winning these competitions, it gave us belief that we could go on and keep winning more. So when I see somebody like you playing it down like it's almost meaningless, it really pisses me off and I can't help but feel you're not a true fan of club. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I cannot accept any fan not feeling really hurt by this loss. This is the ultimate prize for football fans and the players, nothing gets better than seeing your team win trophies, but to you, it's not important because we are still going for a top 4 finish, something that only guarantees you play in one competition, nothing more. It's not even comparable to losing a cup final.

Fa cup the ultimate prize for football fans? Really?

I mean, if it was so big TT wouldn't start Kepa in goal nor would you see premier league clubs and even championship clubs playing weakened squads in the earlier rounds. Also the fact its played before the end of the season also says alot about its importance in this era of football.

I take it you would also rather win the league Cup too than to make top 4 right?

Anyway, you're not really understanding the context of my rational as to why I want top 4. There is no guarantee at winning it but I put realistic in capitals for a reason. Gotta be in it to win it. 

You can say I'm not a true fan, but I don't care. Been supporting this club for over 25 years and our previous finals wins haven't come close to the euphoria of 1997.

We lost the fa cup final last season but at least top 4 gave us the opportunity to be 90mins away of winning a trophy far bigger and more prestigious than the FA Cup.

And for the record, no I wasn't in favour of the super league. I much prefer the Champions League thank you very much.

I agree with Tuchel that we controlled the game well. Other than the goal, Leicester didn’t make Kepa do a single thing. The problem is that we didn’t have enough going forward. 

11 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Not true, Leicester had 1 shot on target and scored from it and then our goal was not allowed so VAR has a huge factor in this game that can't be ignored nor denied.

We're doing this too often and it's masking the problems we've got in the final third. Arsenal had one shot on target. Scored from it and won. While we go through games passing it sideways..sideways...sideways then backward while having little to no goal threat and very rarely test the oppo's keeper.

We've got too many players who are afraid to do something positive on the ball and pass it around with no impetus or pace.

Edited May 15, 20215 yr by Luca Vialli

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It can be both. We were sh*t, especially in the second half, we came out really sluggish, like all of the energy had drained away. But we also can't ignore VAR's part. Both or own performance and VAR played a part.

I disagree. VAR is just a convenient excuse for our poor line up, late subs and general sh*t performance. Honestly, do you have any expectations with Timo upfront? Or with disinterested Ziyech? Or with ageing knackered Dave and Marcos?

Off point but why were hamza choudry and another Leicester player holding the Palestinian flag after the match? I though political statements aren't allowed in football 

Congratulations to Leicester, reminds me very much of when we won the cup final after Mathew Harding’s death. You are a credit to your owner and have done really well in his memory. 
 

 

Did anyone else cheer when Jorginho was subbed, pure drivel again today.

Just now, andy said:

Congratulations to Leicester, reminds me very much of when we won the cup final after Mathew Harding’s death. You are a credit to your owner and have done really well in his memory. 
 

 

Well said andy !

Our attack just isn't up to it, soon as we went 1-0 down I already knew the end result.  Spineless Chelsea team who lack any sort of leadership.

6 minutes ago, SaS said:

I'm not ignoring it but I'm not blaming it on our loss. The offside hinges on a frame on a tv and it can't be called a fake offside but we didn't lose just because of that. 

I just can't agree with VAR, if you ask me it ruined us and we definitely should have had the extra time or penalties. 

We've only conceded 3 shots on target in our last 2 games, conceded 2 goals and lost both matches!

We are like an Italian team who's been forced to play it's matches in the English Premier league.

We can't go like this with only Mount being a goal threat from midfield.

Hopefully we address it this summer, if not by the time Jorginho and his agent decide they want to return to Italy any current decent players would of been snapped up by the Manchester clubs and Liverpool.

15 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

Still confused about the non-handball decision. Here is the law:

The handball is indisputable, and the goal-scoring opportunity arose as a result. 

I'll be interested to hear the official explanation.

 

 

 

There will be none as this would be self-incriminating.

3 minutes ago, andy said:

Congratulations to Leicester, reminds me very much of when we won the cup final after Mathew Harding’s death. You are a credit to your owner and have done really well in his memory. 
 

 

Well said!

Unfortunately at this moment in time we are a team that is bang in trouble if we ever concede the first goal in a football match, and our opponents know it as well.