It was an okay result. Watching Mudryk gives me hope that him, Joao, Reece and Chilwell (when all are fit) may be the best wing-combo since our 2005 team

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

So did Chico Hamilton 

V Spurs! 

 

 

Wow! Chico Hamilton … where did that come from? Thought I’d be the only person here who might remember him!

Did not expect much, but just like under Tuchel, these players seem to up their game in big matches. Lots of positives to take after this match. Judging by the line-ups, it looked like a summer friendly, but it was intense football and overall I think we were the better team. We will come good.

Mudryk - Felix - Madueke will take us to the next level, I am sure of it. And my bet is it will unleash Havertz, too.

Badiashile looks solid so far and I really enjoyed Gallagher and Hall's energy.

Up the Chels!

Liverpool haven’t lost many games at home,  I think it’s 1 so far, so winning there was going to be difficult. And you know how the refs lean towards them at that sh*thole. This goes for those that keep whining about “we’ve dropped 2 points, were sh*t”.

I think there are quite a few positives from today. We’re improving in our overall game. We’re still not scoring and we need to get the strikers firing, but we’re not letting anyone walk over us anymore. Mudryck has shown to be very promising, we’ve got to see the come back of Joao Felix, and we are yet to see how Madueke fits in the team. We need Havertz to start scoring as I don’t think Auba will do anything of worth. The midfield has been good today, I think that for all the faults the Gallagher has, he’s brought some energy to the midfield that we were lacking. He needs to work on his technique and final pass, but he’s improving. Jorgi will be gone, so we still need some midfielder to replace him, but he’s done ok today. And Kante should be coming in soon, I think. Defensively we have improved, and Cucu has played well. Badiashille is still going strong, so I’m happy with that. Chalobah is doing well in the last couple of games, so let’s keep him going. Silva is just Silva, a world class player.

we should have won, yes, we were the better team over all the 90 minutes. But, we don’t beat them easily and we know that we lack a goal scorer. And, a couple of weeks age you all know that we would have lost. So I’m happy that we’re improving even though we haven’t beaten the scum.

11 minutes ago, RMH said:

Liverpool haven’t lost many games at home,  I think it’s 1 so far, so winning there was going to be difficult. And you know how the refs lean towards them at that sh*thole.

To be fair they lean to them in almost every game, cause when they don't Klopp and there fans kick off big time.

On our way back. Thought we were far the better team bar 20 minutes at the start of the second half. Good solid team performance I thought. Looking good for the future so keep the faith and give potter some time.

 

 

 

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A fair few people was unhappy when the line up came out today and others think we have dropped 2 points even though it was away to Liverpool.

My take is it was a match we could of won with better decision making in the final 3rd, but I thought it was a good step in the right direction.

Not many teams go to Anfield and make them look ordinary and have more possession than them.

Sometimes you just have to accept big changes don't happen overnight.

2 hours ago, OnePeterOsgood said:

Wow! Chico Hamilton … where did that come from? Thought I’d be the only person here who might remember him!

I was at that game. !! I can't remember last week, f**k knows how I remember decades ago !

6 hours ago, axman2526 said:

@CaitlinCFCwhat did you do?!?

You can have him back for next week.

I am starting to believe that Potter actually coaches out any attacking threat from these players.  They don't have a shot in them. It is not surprising that the two best players I have seen recently have been Felix and Mudryk, both of which have hardly trained with us.

Potter has always been like this though. His teams never score goals. That's why they were happy with a sh*t player like Danny Welbeck, cos he can't coach finishing anyway. 

I thought Mudryk looks quality, providing we don't ruin him. There are the faintest glimmers that some of these youngsters could look really good in the future. Not many players played poorly so that is a step in the right direction, but I did think we were so overly cautious. I doubt we will have a better chance to beat them up there for a few years to come now.

6 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I am starting to believe that Potter actually coaches out any attacking threat from these players.  They don't have a shot in them. It is not surprising that the two best players I have seen recently have been Felix and Mudryk, both of which have hardly trained with us.

Potter has always been like this though. His teams never score goals. That's why they were happy with a sh*t player like Danny Welbeck, cos he can't coach finishing anyway. 

I thought Mudryk looks quality, providing we don't ruin him. There are the faintest glimmers that some of these youngsters could look really good in the future. Not many players played poorly so that is a step in the right direction, but I did think we were so overly cautious. I doubt we will have a better chance to beat them up there for a few years to come now.

How does Potter coach out attacking threat? Would love some detailed examples. 

Still not scoring. Until we start scoring not gunna win much. Some of the youngsters trying too hard in front of goal. Last season Gallagher scored 8 pl goals with palace  and a couple of them were class finishes. So his decision making can’t be all bad. Personally I did think he played well. 

chukmuweka got in some great positions in his brief cameo. 
badiashile has a lock on his spot just now. 
Chalobah is lacking as a fullback. Not his position. 
hall was over awed and mount isn’t doing enough

but overall it’s on potter to get the team scoring. This was quite an exciting game but we could easily have list it because we don’t have any scoreboard pressure. 

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8 minutes ago, just said:

How does Potter coach out attacking threat? Would love some detailed examples. 

I have no idea but we seem to be as toothless as his Brighton team was on so many occasions. It was intended to be a light hearted comment but there were numerous examples of Potter's Brighton team not being clinical enough in front of goal and things do not seem to be improving here either.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

I have no idea but we seem to be as toothless as his Brighton team was on so many occasions. It was intended to be a light hearted comment but there were numerous examples of Potter's Brighton team not being clinical enough in front of goal and things do not seem to be improving here either.

Don't go with the problem. Anyone can do that. Propose a solution. Who would you pick to change it?

Walking in A Potter Wonderland.

23 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I am starting to believe that Potter actually coaches out any attacking threat from these players.  They don't have a shot in them. It is not surprising that the two best players I have seen recently have been Felix and Mudryk, both of which have hardly trained with us.

Potter has always been like this though. His teams never score goals. That's why they were happy with a sh*t player like Danny Welbeck, cos he can't coach finishing anyway. 

I thought Mudryk looks quality, providing we don't ruin him. There are the faintest glimmers that some of these youngsters could look really good in the future. Not many players played poorly so that is a step in the right direction, but I did think we were so overly cautious. I doubt we will have a better chance to beat them up there for a few years to come now.

We’ve been poor in front of goal for a few seasons now, long before potter came. Seem to want to walk the ball into the net, no one wanting to take the responsibility to shoot early except maybe James when he gets into the box and hes a wing back. 

1 minute ago, just said:

Don't go with the problem. Anyone can do that. Propose a solution. Who would you pick to change it?

Walking in A Potter Wonderland.

Well if it were me and I was putting together amprojectvdrawingnupon bright young talent,  I wouldn't then be throwing Aubameyang onto the pitch.  Then again looking at the way Liverpool were playing I probably would have played at a higher tempo and rather than having Silva, Badiashile and Kepa doing endless triangles I may well have committed more players forward, and maybe put Fofana out there.

That said I don't want to sound negative about today. Our performance was better than recently and as I said previously you can see glimpses of what we can become. The truth is that both teams currently are bang average mid table sides so a 0-0 draw is probably indicative of where both sides are currently.

8 minutes ago, goose said:

We’ve been poor in front of goal for a few seasons now, long before potter came. Seem to want to walk the ball into the net, no one wanting to take the responsibility to shoot early except maybe James when he gets into the box and hes a wing back. 

Well based on their YouTube videos (I know I know), and 58 minutes for Felix at Fulham, seems all of Mudryk, Madueke and Felix like to take on a shot. 

Let's see if that changes here.

No idea how anyone can view that performance today in a negative light. We didn’t dominate but if any team deserved to win it was us. 

Always a tough place to go regardless of injuries. We didn’t let them play how they’d like to play, and defensively we were excellent I thought, we didn’t ever really look in danger of conceding. 

Offensively we could have made better decisions, Havertz, Mount, Gallagher, Ziyech, Chucky all had decent scoring opportunities but wasted them. 

Overall feeling really encouraged by the performance and feels like it could be a turning point. If we can kick on from that I’d be really interested to see what the rest of the season looks like. 

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

Well if it were me and I was putting together amprojectvdrawingnupon bright young talent,  I wouldn't then be throwing Aubameyang onto the pitch.  Then again looking at the way Liverpool were playing I probably would have played at a higher tempo and rather than having Silva, Badiashile and Kepa doing endless triangles I may well have committed more players forward, and maybe put Fofana out there.

That said I don't want to sound negative about today. Our performance was better than recently and as I said previously you can see glimpses of what we can become. The truth is that both teams currently are bang average mid table sides so a 0-0 draw is probably indicative of where both sides are currently.

So no Aubameyang. And a higher tempo. Who would you use to set the higher tempo for you? And it looks like you don't like like us recycling the ball, just to keep possession. How would you change that?

7 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Also a draw at anfield is never a bad result especially considering our form. 

To a  point but also take into consideration their form which is every bit as bad as ours. They were recently beaten 3-0 by Brighton.

Neither side could afford to lose, so a dull draw is what was ordered, and everyone has something 'positive' to build on. I reckon it's more of a missed opportunity for us than them, it's not usual you get a chance to play against a defence without VVD. We could have tested that defence a lot more, but instead our best chances came from set pieces and didn't really test their GK. Some players are just deprived of confidence, Mount had that chance near the penalty spot on the turn but instead passed the ball, that should have been the moment. Defensively we were largely ok, playing another CD at RB helped, but we got no output from RB offensively. Silva still needed to bail us out a few times, he's player of the season without contest this season. The new sigining looked sharp, just keep fit and we have something to look forward to.  We are a point above Villa, so unless we start winning again, we will be in bottom half soon. In terms of climbing league table, yesterday was a wasted opportunity instead of a point gained.

9 minutes ago, just said:

So no Aubameyang. And a higher tempo. Who would you use to set the higher tempo for you? And it looks like you don't like like us recycling the ball, just to keep possession. How would you change that?

I think I have said consistently throughout this season that I dont feel these players are fit enough. Therefore I feel they burn out too quickly. I have also said that general care of the ball has been poor, with far too many touches and negative movements because of poor passing. Often we have been our own worst enemies by sloppily giving away possession.

I think that football is a game of increments, and if you incrementally improve individual aspects of your game then the sum becomes greater than the parts.

So to me it isn't what would I do, who would I put on to suddenly improve us although as i have said i may have gone another route than Aubameyang. I would have been focusing on fitness and conditioning, a better and more stable medical backroom, and a lot more work on use of the ball and our pattern of play over a sustained period of time.

I'll also ignore the note of condescension in the comment that I don't like us recycling the ball for possession only sake and will say that it is a simple triangular movement up the pitch from our own box. Initially they weren't even pressing us so that on a number of occasions Silva or Kepa were just stood still with their foot on the ball. It was breaking down today not, I think, due to a lack of movement, but I think due to an intentional plan to slow the tempo in order to prevent Liverpool and their fans building up a head of steam. This I thought was a mistake as I thought that they were there for the taking today.

Even during this game the commentator,  who I don't overly rate but hey, said that you can see why both sides are where they as there is no discernible pattern to their play, it's all a bit chaotic..

36 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

No idea how anyone can view that performance today in a negative light. We didn’t dominate but if any team deserved to win it was us. 

Always a tough place to go regardless of injuries. We didn’t let them play how they’d like to play, and defensively we were excellent I thought, we didn’t ever really look in danger of conceding. 

Offensively we could have made better decisions, Havertz, Mount, Gallagher, Ziyech, Chucky all had decent scoring opportunities but wasted them. 

Overall feeling really encouraged by the performance and feels like it could be a turning point. If we can kick on from that I’d be really interested to see what the rest of the season looks like. 

I don't think there is anything negative about today. I still think we are shot shy and kept slipping over in critical positions. I am also frustrated as this has been a graveyard for us for so many years and I genuinely felt with a bit more belief and intent we could have and should have won this game. I don't remember a single shot of power from them that Kepa had to save.

On the positive side you can see the shoots of a possible relationships developing between the young players and from their respective  first showings both marquee signings, Felix and Mudryk look class

19 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I think I have said consistently throughout this season that I dont feel these players are fit enough. Therefore I feel they burn out too quickly. I have also said that general care of the ball has been poor, with far too many touches and negative movements because of poor passing. Often we have been our own worst enemies by sloppily giving away possession.

I think that football is a game of increments, and if you incrementally improve individual aspects of your game then the sum becomes greater than the parts.

So to me it isn't what would I do, who would I put on to suddenly improve us although as i have said i may have gone another route than Aubameyang. I would have been focusing on fitness and conditioning, a better and more stable medical backroom, and a lot more work on use of the ball and our pattern of play over a sustained period of time.

I'll also ignore the note of condescension in the comment that I don't like us recycling the ball for possession only sake and will say that it is a simple triangular movement up the pitch from our own box. Initially they weren't even pressing us so that on a number of occasions Silva or Kepa were just stood still with their foot on the ball. It was breaking down today not, I think, due to a lack of movement, but I think due to an intentional plan to slow the tempo in order to prevent Liverpool and their fans building up a head of steam. This I thought was a mistake as I thought that they were there for the taking today.

Even during this game the commentator,  who I don't overly rate but hey, said that you can see why both sides are where they as there is no discernible pattern to their play, it's all a bit chaotic..

Personally I don't think lack of match fitness is a major problem. However, a lack of athleticism, strength and physicality particularly in midfield is. An example here.  Jorginho is match fit. But Strong, physical, athletic? 

Care and use of the ball. You quote triangular interplay between Silva and Kepa. And yet to be an attacking force where does the ball go from there? How does it get moved forwards? Surely a midfield presence, a link, a forward creative passer, a runner has to be crucial in that role. Did we have that today? I'd say no. If you think we did I'd like you to tell me where.