2 hours ago, Zeta said:

End of the day, he's only just turned 18. This is his first full season with the squad. Yes, he should have played more, but it's not like he's 21/22 and still being loaned out every year, with clearly no future. If he wants to throw his toys out of the pram after half a season and demand a move, then f**k him.

Harsh but true. I think he should sign a three year contract with Chelsea probably be a lot of money. By that time willian will be finished, he’ll be playing regularly and potentially worth a fortune. And he’ll still only be 21 with his best years ahead of him. 

My opinion is we have f**ked up. We should have given him more game time and developed him along the lines United have done with Rashford. Ability and not age should be the deciding factor.

I'm not sure if it's to do with lack of gametime, or even CHO thinking "Bayern is a bigger club than Chelsea" - perhaps he just thinks he stands a better chance of increasing his profile in the Bundesliga. He may have still left even with 15+ games, Sancho's success will be a big factor in his decision.

Edited January 13, 20197 yr by the special one

3 minutes ago, the special one said:

I'm not sure if it's to do with lack of gametime, or even CHO thinking "Bayern is a bigger club than Chelsea" - perhaps he just thinks he stands a better chance of increasing his profile in the Bundesliga. He may have still left even with 15+ games, Sancho's success will be a big factor in his decision.

I think that is it, he has seen this teen he has played against tearing up the Bundesliga and thinks I want that instead of keeping the bench warm at SB.

It's very simple, he wants to play. If Bayern will offer him more game time he surely will go there.

They did the same with Serge Gnarby who I think is a very good player. Signed him, loaned him to play games and gain experience. This season he started on the bench and now he's a regular starter.

They're looking to sign young prospects and CHO is definitely one. We will be so stupid to let him go. 

 

Bundesliga is a much easier league for young dribbling wingers. Defences are more open. 

Also if you look at someone like Kingsley Coman as a model at Bayern, you can see they do play and develop young players, even with Ribery and Robben as starters. They're also a bigger club who will play CL every year. Not hard to see why he wants to go there.

That said we still won't be selling him. His head has been turned sure but he has 18 months left and he'll get more game time.

We're looking at a transfer ban, our best player leaving in the summer and our other two wingers with 18 months left at the club. We need him and he will get to play.

 

1 hour ago, just said:

My opinion is we have f**ked up. We should have given him more game time and developed him along the lines United have done with Rashford. Ability and not age should be the deciding factor.

The signing of Pulisic probably hasn't helped things and I think that may have been the final straw if he is looking to leave.

He's behind Hazard, Willian and Pedro, what a kick in the teeth it must have been when he seen the club sign another player to play in front of him. This is the problem the club has, we are always looking at the next overhyped player instead of taking advantage of the talent we already have.

If we were going to sign Pulisic, we should have moved on Willian or Pedro and promoted Hudson-Odoi last summer.

A lot of our youngsters aren't exactly living up to their potential, but who knows what could have happened if we actually used them instead of going out and wasting money on the likes of Giroud, Morata, Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta. We always assume the next player coming in is going to be better than the youngster going out, we have absolutely no faith in our own talent.

3 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

The signing of Pulisic probably hasn't helped things and I think that may have been the final straw if he is looking to leave.

He's behind Hazard, Willian and Pedro, what a kick in the teeth it must have been when he seen the club sign another player to play in front of him. This is the problem the club has, we are always looking at the next overhyped player instead of taking advantage of the talent we already have.

If we were going to sign Pulisic, we should have moved on Willian or Pedro and promoted Hudson-Odoi last summer.

A lot of our youngsters aren't exactly living up to their potential, but who knows what could have happened if we actually used them instead of going out and wasting money on the likes of Giroud, Morata, Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta. We always assume the next player coming in is going to be better than the youngster going out, we have absolutely no faith in our own talent.

We couldn't get Pulisic in the summer though, so we would've been very light going into the season with just 3 wingers, 1 of which was a 17 year old that hadn't even made his full professional debut. 

I don't think Pulisic signing should make a difference, a club our size is always going to have 4 wingers minimum. Bayern signed a young Canadian winger aswell, so they're are 4 or 5 players to compete with at Bayern. 

Totally agree with the last paragraph though, we've wasted so much money on players that never even had potential to be starters here. 

CHO just needs to keep his head down and when he gets a chance, he needs to perform. 

He's only 18, there is so much hype around him now, that offers will still be on the table in summer, so I think he should stick around at least until then, especially if he has any sort of real affinity for the club.

7 hours ago, just said:

My opinion is we have f**ked up. We should have given him more game time and developed him along the lines United have done with Rashford. Ability and not age should be the deciding factor.

 Rashford is 21 and has been in the first team for about 3 years... were we supposed to be playing CH-O in the Premier League at 15?

4 hours ago, Charles Ryder said:

 Rashford is 21 and has been in the first team for about 3 years... were we supposed to be playing CH-O in the Premier League at 15?

Correct and in that ‘15-‘16 season he made a total of 18 appearances across all competitions (11 of which being in the league). 

 

Before the Bayern interest kicked off CHO had only received a handful of minutes and it’s only since that interest he’s getting a sniff at first team action. If Bayern weren’t circling he wouldn’t be getting the coverage and game time that he now will. 

 

 

He didn’t say anywhere that it should have been at the exact same time as Rashford. He said we should be integrating CHO the same way United did with Rashford at his age, which as I say prior to the interest from abroad - we weren’t and in all honesty, we probably weren’t going to either.

11 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

The signing of Pulisic probably hasn't helped things and I think that may have been the final straw if he is looking to leave.

He's behind Hazard, Willian and Pedro, what a kick in the teeth it must have been when he seen the club sign another player to play in front of him. This is the problem the club has, we are always looking at the next overhyped player instead of taking advantage of the talent we already have.

If we were going to sign Pulisic, we should have moved on Willian or Pedro and promoted Hudson-Odoi last summer.

A lot of our youngsters aren't exactly living up to their potential, but who knows what could have happened if we actually used them instead of going out and wasting money on the likes of Giroud, Morata, Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta. We always assume the next player coming in is going to be better than the youngster going out, we have absolutely no faith in our own talent.

Key to all this is a total lack of direction at a footballing level. Someone said earlier that it is clear that business and not footballing people are making transfer decisions and it shows.

We sell because the value is good without regard for the impact on the squad and we seem to buy (not always but often) with the notion of resale value first in our mind. 

Who is the person saying okay regardless of the manager this type of player is required and isn't being developed in the academy. Who is saying this player is 30 or this player is off contract in two years time so that is looming as a gap in the squad.

Who was the person in the back office saying Bakayoko has a loose first touch and that actually Nat Chalobah who is much better on the ball could be developed into a similar player with some gametime and gym work?

I suspect no one. So we land ourselves here with one of our best youngsters threatening to leave because of lack of gametime. We urgently need a revamp of our football board. Forget strikers or centre backs a technical director is the most glaring recruitment gap we have.

That's a good point about how the lack of direction affects the youth prospects. I seem to recall at some point in the not too distant past that we were into that thing where the youth teams at all levels were playing the same system and style in order to make the eventual transition to senior football smoother. However, with out weather vane approach to managers, it must be that this has been abandoned. I've read a few times that we have first team players who can't or will struggle to adapt to 'Sarriball' and in that case, perhaps a good chunk of our youth players are now unsuitable. Maybe that's why we've decided to spend over 50 million on a young winger from Dortmund as his all round game is more compatible with 'Sarriball'. When Sarri gets sacked and the next guy comes in perhaps we'll spend 75 million on CHO to replace Pulisic.

3 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

He didn’t say anywhere that it should have been at the exact same time as Rashford. He said we should be integrating CHO the same way United did with Rashford at his age, which as I say prior to the interest from abroad - we weren’t and in all honesty, we probably weren’t going to either.

 

If memory serves, prior to an injury crisis and Van Gaal picking him out of desperation, Rashford wasn't exactly being integrated any more than CH-O has been. There was as much planning and forethought applied to Rashford going into the first team as there was with Federico Macheda - ie, not a lot.

I have a feeling that Bayern will offer him a contract that he won't be able to refuse.

Media reporting CHO will refuse any contract from us, trying to force us to sell now, or he will run his contract down.

If he is that determined to leave, he should stick a written transfer request in. 

I hope the media have got this one wrong, it doesn't reflect well on CHO and whoever is advising him, maybe playing time isn't the driving factor. 

 

20 minutes ago, big blue said:

Media reporting CHO will refuse any contract from us, trying to force us to sell now, or he will run his contract down.

If he is that determined to leave, he should stick a written transfer request in. 

 I hope the media have got this one wrong, it doesn't reflect well on CHO and whoever is advising him, maybe playing time isn't the driving factor. 

 

Written transfer requests dont really mean anything at his age. People stick them in because of the bonus they forego. I doubt he has a loyalty bonus. 

I wouldnt believe everything read in the papers anyway on this. 

I’d trust a risky fart before any drivel the media come out with, especially in regard to our club. 

31 minutes ago, benjsross said:

Written transfer requests dont really mean anything at his age. People stick them in because of the bonus they forego. I doubt he has a loyalty bonus. 

I wouldnt believe everything read in the papers anyway on this. 

I'm loathed to believe the papers as well, however I havent read anything from the chelsea connected journo's like Matt law, that say CHO signing a new deal is still a possibility.

It's not looking too likely he stays long term at the moment in my opinion.

There’s a few rumblings on Twitter that we’ve offered him 5 year contract with added minutes.

I find the added minutes hard to believe, why would you put such a thing in a contract.

 

 

Edited January 14, 20197 yr by Fatty_Speeding

Goal.com and the daily mail...... No. 

Let him ride out his contract and in the meantime give him enough chances that either

a) he wants to stay & has earned a regular spot in the first 11

 b) shows he is good enough that we want him to stay, but he still insists in leaving in which case in the summer a bidding war 

or c) shows he is not good enough in which case who cares if he leaves

I think we need to consider this is going to impact more than just CHO but also sends a very strong message to any current or future youth prospects.

If a highly decorated and massively rated  18 year old that BM will splunk 35million on still can't get a proper chance to force their way into the first team, what youth prospect will ever be good enough to get a proper chance in the first team?

Pretty much if CHO goes or stays with no significant game time and I've got a kid oozing talent and Chelsea comes calling then money is the only reason to consider CFC, because a path to first team football simply does not exist unless you're proven top quality....and you'll never get the chance to prove it here no matter how many youth world cups, champions leagues, youth leagues, youth FA cups etc etc you win.

and for all the people saying "well show us the youth that went else where and made it" fair point, but you might see the parents of such youth citing that fact too and thinking "maybe the commonality isn't that ALL those youth massively rated turned out to be duds, maybe the commonality is CFC simply does not give what is needed to go from top tier youth talent to top tier adult talent".....and at some point we have to question why is it that we spent so much on a youth system and recruit the best youth from around the globe, and yet none ever comes good.....

 as I've always said in other contexts, when your answer/excuse of not achieving something is always someone else fault...and I mean ALWAYS..... then it might just be time to consider that maybe you're actually the cause of the issue and not everybody else (or everyone that goes through your system).

 

 

 

 

 

Watching how he acts and how he talks, he didn't seem that much mad about leaving the squad. If I was him (sounds pathetic I'm aware) it would be logical to wait and see if Hazard stays or leaves because if Hazard leaves the only logical option for the club is to start rebuilding and in that situation Hudson-Odoi would become the starter and the new rising star of both the club and the whole league and nation. And all that goes hand in hand with Pedro and Willian getting too old for Chelsea.

So if we put things in perspective, after the summer Hudson-Odoi has a big chance to become a starter so why is there so many in the media that write  that he is so eager to leave right now?

As Bayern are openly being disrespectful to Chelsea, I think I would be inclined to tell that c*nt Salihamidžić, that the price to buy CHO in this window is £200m, and to pay up or STFU. Then keep CHO and play him until the summer. He will still be worth £35m in the summer if he wants to leave. 

 

There is, as they say, no smoke without fire. If the kid wants to leave, so be it. It's his life and he should be free to choose how he lives it, regardless of how we feel.

However, I'm sick of hearing from the media, pundits and former players of rival teams telling us that he should leave the club for the benefit of his career. He's 18 ffs! Since when did 18 year olds all of a sudden get regular first team football in their first season in the first team?! Ferdinand wouldn't be saying this if CHO was at United and not getting the playing time, so he should keep his f**king nose out!

Edited January 14, 20197 yr by Old Shaggy