Come on @Scott Harris - I am offering theshedend a nailed on £50 here. Didn't ever get a response. 

 

Something is definitely wrong, maybe the players just don't understand him.

I heard that in training, he was having trouble giving instructions to either of the Fofanas. Whenever he tried to get Wesley to sit back or DD to push forward, the wrong Fofana received the message and the two of them just kept running into each other in midfield. It explains the DDF sub at half time.

The same thing probably happens with Mudryk and Madueke, which is why one got taken off for the other today despite paying different positions

Edited February 19, 20233 yr by Lampsy

For all those youngsters who have never witnessed a relegation season, right now feels like one.  For those who have witnessed one, doesn't this feel like the year we went down in the play offs?!!?.  That season, we had a decent start and then went on a terrible run of like 25+ games without a win.  I reckon we're in the same position in the league now, as then, at the same point in the season.  

The one big difference though was that team still scored goals but still lost or drew.  I recall one game we were 3-0 or 4-0 up against the mighty Oxford, ended up 4-4!

That season we had Clarke and Dorigo at fullbacks, as good as James and Chilwell, still went down.  A "nice man" manager in Hollins, like Potter, who out of his depth Uncle Ken stuck with for too long and made the change to Campbell too late.  Still went down.  Each week thinking we're playing someone sh*t at the Bridge today, like a Charlton, thinking today we will win, we didnt, still went down.

Yesterday has proved to me that we must act immediately because right now, I can't see us scoring against anyone so when we play someone like Forest at home, where we should be thinking "win"... it won't happen....  I don't want to be at that point, near the end of the season, where we need a win, at the Bridge, to stay up.  That would be the Newcastle game, we won't win it.  

Speaking of Newcastle, 1st half yesterday was like watching Newcastle under Bruce.  11 men behind the ball and hoping that Saint-Maximan, read Madueke, might be able to do something!!!

Final comparison to our last relegation season, Ernie Walley = Potter's fat, short-arsed lower leagues side kick!

1 hour ago, Lampsy said:

Something is definitely wrong, maybe the players just don't understand him.

I heard that in training, he was having trouble giving instructions to either of the Fofanas. Whenever he tried to get Wesley to sit back or DD to push forward, the wrong Fofana received the message and the two of them just kept running into each other in midfield. It explains the DDF sub at half time.

The same thing probably happens with Mudryk and Madueke, which is why one got taken off for the other today despite paying different positions

That would be an incredibly stupid reason to take DDF off. Just call one Wes and the other one Dave. Hardly an unsolvable problem...

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

But how come none of them put shift in? 

I watched arsenal play before our game. It wass so easy for Arsenal to build their offense and get the ball forward. It does not matter who their fw line was. Saka was limping for the majority of the game and it didn't matter.

For us, it was whole another story. It was just very difficult for us to do any proper build up. 

For me it is due to the culture on the players not changing. 

Players got tired of Jose MK1, was Grant a step up? Heck no, the players made that step forward happen.

How about RDM? What did he do before or after his double CL and FA Cup win for us? Nothing, the player made that happen.

Come on Southampton are terrible, 9 losses out of 10, lost at home to 10 man Wolves. All the quality we have in our side, is it only on the manager that they show up with professional pride? Was it all Grant that had us one JT none slip away from winning in Moscow? Was it all RDM that won it for us in Munich? No.

The players get paid a fortune, and they are serving this sh*t up to us game after game so they can place all the blame on Potter and get off Scott free cause they have seen it happen time in and time out here.

Am not saying Potter is not at fault too and needs to up his game, but the players are due a huge portion of blame, most of them not just Cucurella.

Up until now I've been in the 'give Potter a full season at least camp' but not anymore.  It's not just the fact we lost at home to the worst team in the league, it was the manner of the defeat and Potters response to it afterwards.

By the final whistle we had put a combination of 17 players on the pitch and it looked as though most of them had never met before let alone played together which is hardly surprising because most of them hadn't. 

I still think Potter might be a fairly decent manager at a lower level but this job is clearly way beyond him.  I don't blame him for taking it, who wouldn't....apparently paid £2m a year at Brighton to £12m a year at Chelsea.  The blame for that ridiculous move lays fairly and squarely with Boehly and the decision makers at the club.

I don't want to see Potter destroyed by this. If he has an ounce of self respect and awareness he would do the right thing, put his hands up admit it was a mistake to take on such a big job and resign with some dignity.  I would respect him more for that.

 

 

4 minutes ago, WeatherMan said:

Up until now I've been in the 'give Potter a full season at least camp' but not anymore.  It's not just the fact we lost at home to the worst team in the league, it was the manner of the defeat and Potters response to it afterwards.

By the final whistle we had put a combination of 17 players on the pitch and it looked as though most of them had never met before let alone played together which is hardly surprising because most of them hadn't. 

I still think Potter might be a fairly decent manager at a lower level but this job is clearly way beyond him.  I don't blame him for taking it, who wouldn't....apparently paid £2m a year at Brighton to £12m a year at Chelsea.  The blame for that ridiculous move lays fairly and squarely with Boehly and the decision makers at the club.

I don't want to see Potter destroyed by this. If he has an ounce of self respect and awareness he would do the right thing, put his hands up admit it was a mistake to take on such a big job and resign with some dignity.  I would respect him more for that.

 

 

your respect doesnt worth anything near 60m dollars lol, and no one would pick someone's respect over 60m dollars

 

this is the owners fault

1 hour ago, Chris Gundleton said:

For all those youngsters who have never witnessed a relegation season, right now feels like one.  For those who have witnessed one, doesn't this feel like the year we went down in the play offs?!!?.  That season, we had a decent start and then went on a terrible run of like 25+ games without a win.  I reckon we're in the same position in the league now, as then, at the same point in the season.  

The one big difference though was that team still scored goals but still lost or drew.  I recall one game we were 3-0 or 4-0 up against the mighty Oxford, ended up 4-4!

That season we had Clarke and Dorigo at fullbacks, as good as James and Chilwell, still went down.  A "nice man" manager in Hollins, like Potter, who out of his depth Uncle Ken stuck with for too long and made the change to Campbell too late.  Still went down.  Each week thinking we're playing someone sh*t at the Bridge today, like a Charlton, thinking today we will win, we didnt, still went down.

Yesterday has proved to me that we must act immediately because right now, I can't see us scoring against anyone so when we play someone like Forest at home, where we should be thinking "win"... it won't happen....  I don't want to be at that point, near the end of the season, where we need a win, at the Bridge, to stay up.  That would be the Newcastle game, we won't win it.  

Speaking of Newcastle, 1st half yesterday was like watching Newcastle under Bruce.  11 men behind the ball and hoping that Saint-Maximan, read Madueke, might be able to do something!!!

Final comparison to our last relegation season, Ernie Walley = Potter's fat, short-arsed lower leagues side kick!

Remember it well.

Difference of course is that Campbell brought us back up and I see no evidence that Potter could do that. After all could you see him outwitting Vincent Kompany right now.

2 hours ago, Nick05 said:

If things remain as grim as they are now, won't be surprised if they bring in a new gaffer just to secure us the points necessary for survival.

They think if we finish last we'll get the first pick of the draft...they have no clue what relegation actually means.

I don’t think Potter gets the boot now. Once we’re out of the CL, there’s nothing left to play for. May as well let him finish out the season and then the club can assess things there. 
 

No doubt the club will be gauging the mood of the players as well and whether they are buying into Potters methods. 

2 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

They think if we finish last we'll get the first pick of the draft...they have no clue what relegation actually means.

I'd like to think they've done a bit more research into how the the English football leagues work and grasped the concept of relegation/promotion but I'm not so sure they have.

13 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

For me it is due to the culture on the players not changing. 

Players got tired of Jose MK1, was Grant a step up? Heck no, the players made that step forward happen.

How about RDM? What did he do before or after his double CL and FA Cup win for us? Nothing, the player made that happen.

Come on Southampton are terrible, 9 losses out of 10, lost at home to 10 man Wolves. All the quality we have in our side, is it only on the manager that they show up with professional pride? Was it all Grant that had us one JT none slip away from winning in Moscow? Was it all RDM that won it for us in Munich? No.

The players get paid a fortune, and they are serving this sh*t up to us game after game so they can place all the blame on Potter and get off Scott free cause they have seen it happen time in and time out here.

Am not saying Potter is not at fault too and needs to up his game, but the players are due a huge portion of blame, most of them not just Cucurella.

I understand where you’re coming from @axman2526 and agree to an extent. But a coach needs charisma and to inspire. It’s very difficult for players to perform otherwise even if their intentions are good. Things don’t work, frustration grows, and it becomes a downward spiral. We’ve probably all experienced some version of this in our lives and can identify with it. 

It’s the wrong job spec for Potter. He could maybe inspire players at Brighton with his mentoring etc. But this is a different gig. Needs a different sort of charisma. It’s almost as if Potter is scared, overwhelmed . I feel for him in a way… within limits of course. I mean there are far greater causes for sympathy in this effed up world, and he’s getting paid stupid money, etc, but that’s not his fault and I doubt he’s happier now than he was when he was earning much less.

 

The job spec thing cuts the other way too. If Guardiola became Southampton coach tomorrow, I doubt they’d do better than they are, and there’s a decent chance they’d be worse. Again - different gig. For that reason, potter at Chelsea isnt going to work. But as we’ve also discussed, we may have a bigger problem! 

25 minutes ago, WeatherMan said:

Up until now I've been in the 'give Potter a full season at least camp' but not anymore.  It's not just the fact we lost at home to the worst team in the league, it was the manner of the defeat and Potters response to it afterwards.

By the final whistle we had put a combination of 17 players on the pitch and it looked as though most of them had never met before let alone played together which is hardly surprising because most of them hadn't. 

I still think Potter might be a fairly decent manager at a lower level but this job is clearly way beyond him.  I don't blame him for taking it, who wouldn't....apparently paid £2m a year at Brighton to £12m a year at Chelsea.  The blame for that ridiculous move lays fairly and squarely with Boehly and the decision makers at the club.

I don't want to see Potter destroyed by this. If he has an ounce of self respect and awareness he would do the right thing, put his hands up admit it was a mistake to take on such a big job and resign with some dignity.  I would respect him more for that.

 

 

Ironically the Southampton job would appear to be more suited to him. It wouldn't surprise me if he were more successful there than he ever will be here

Just now, WhiteWall said:

Ironically the Southampton job would appear to be more suited to him. It wouldn't surprise me if he were more successful there than he ever will be here

He definitely would i think. said similar just now in a more long-winded way 🙂  

2 hours ago, Lampsy said:

Something is definitely wrong, maybe the players just don't understand him.

I heard that in training, he was having trouble giving instructions to either of the Fofanas. Whenever he tried to get Wesley to sit back or DD to push forward, the wrong Fofana received the message and the two of them just kept running into each other in midfield. It explains the DDF sub at half time.

The same thing probably happens with Mudryk and Madueke, which is why one got taken off for the other today despite paying different positions

Not in a million years. Absolutely no way this is true. This will be twitter waffle. They will call the players by their first names anyway.

The blame for this whole debacle lies squarely with the Yanks. Appointing a manager with no CV justifying him getting the job / clearing out pretty well all backroom staff / ditto boardroom staff / paying the utterly ludicrous prices for all of the incoming players. Todd and Co have been made to look like complete fools. Potter should be sacked today but will probably limp on. Showing him the door would be the Yanks acknowledging their massive error made…..and to me they look too arrogant to hold their hands up on this front. Let the circus continue.

7 minutes ago, Tubbs Tattsyrup said:

The blame for this whole debacle lies squarely with the Yanks. Appointing a manager with no CV justifying him getting the job / clearing out pretty well all backroom staff / ditto boardroom staff / paying the utterly ludicrous prices for all of the incoming players. Todd and Co have been made to look like complete fools. Potter should be sacked today but will probably limp on. Showing him the door would be the Yanks acknowledging their massive error made…..and to me they look too arrogant to hold their hands up on this front. Let the circus continue.

They seem to have been seduced by this whole "emotional intelligence" nonsense, in preference to any actual real intelligence or track record of achievement LOL.

Emotional intelligence is the sort of sh*te wishy washy woke degree subject that anyone with a degree in a proper subject just smiles at when told about it.

Granted it is not quite as bad as that of the guy I once met who was doing his Masters on the Cultural Impact of "Carry On" Films ... close enough though 🙂 

 

24 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

They seem to have been seduced by this whole "emotional intelligence" nonsense, in preference to any actual real intelligence or track record of achievement LOL.

Emotional intelligence is the sort of sh*te wishy washy woke degree subject that anyone with a degree in a proper subject just smiles at when told about it.

Granted it is not quite as bad as that of the guy I once met who was doing his Masters on the Cultural Impact of "Carry On" Films ... close enough though 🙂 

Smacks of when AVB seduced Roman with his epic presentation. 

No winning mentality.

He's done, might as well accept it. 

7 hours ago, TimesUpPotter said:

last week you said we'd at least challenge for a title next season and win it by the season after under Potter

I believe you also asked me if I'd change my name when we win the title under Potter

Now you're talking about us not getting enough points to avoid relegation?

I know the performance was poor today but so poor it forced you into a Boris Johnson level U turn? Wow.

Yeah it was that poor. It's Southampton. It's the worst performance of his time here and that's not a good sign for me. 

There was no evidence for me that Potter definitely wouldn't win the title next year before yesterday. So I'm going to believe he will, I'm going to back him. I'm not going to judge him on a draw away at forest and losing games when he's forced to play academy kids and I'm going to think people who do at that stage are pretty pathetic. 

But now, I just don't see any hope he turns it around, because as someone else said, at least with Sarri there was a semblance of a plan by now, there isn't one here. It feels very rabbit in the headlights. 

There's nothing wrong with changing your opinion when new information comes in. 

I'm not saying sack him today, it's still only a 1% chance Potter in charge gets us relegated and that's the only reason to sack him before the end of the season. I'd rather a new manager comes in for pre season than mid season and I'd rather we don't appear to be knee jerky as it affects signings.

But who knows, maybe he wins the champions league and then I'd be wrong and you should change your name. 

9 hours ago, bisright1 said:

One game I've been to this season was Milan. Had more Milan fans in the west stand than Chelsea. 

Plymouth in the cup was the same.

36 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

 

LOL ... This is starting to become totally ridiculous. 

37 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

 

You don't get projects at big clubs, doesn't work like that especially if the start is a car crash like this has been. 

You spend over 300 million and you get the performances and results we have been getting since he came in then you have to draw the line somewhere.

Things are not stabilising and tbh it's getting worse. We cant score, we can't defend and we don't have a clear gameplay. Starting 11 full of established top footballers who don't know what the actual game plan is.

I'm done with it

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4 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Come on @Scott Harris - I am offering theshedend a nailed on £50 here. Didn't ever get a response. 

 

No matter how sure I am of something, I'm not gambling my money on it. I won't even gamble a fiver on black jack 😆