His first touch is very similar to JFH. But not his finishing.

7 minutes ago, just said:

His first touch is very similar to JFH. But not his finishing.

Significantly worse than Jimmy. Werner just doesnt seem like a footballer at times. He has pace and workrate, but comes across as having zero footballing ability. More akin to a poor mans Theo Walcott than JFH.

14 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Significantly worse than Jimmy. Werner just doesnt seem like a footballer at times. He has pace and workrate, but comes across as having zero footballing ability. More akin to a poor mans Theo Walcott than JFH.

It's not that he doesn't have footballing ability. His technique is mediocre. 

He never cuts onto his right. As a defender, this is like a dream come true. Just stay back, don't give him space to cut, he'll just drive forward to cross and stopping a cross from someone who doesn't have a variety to their cross is easy

Edited February 20, 20215 yr by Deino

16 minutes ago, Deino said:

It's not that he doesn't have footballing ability. His technique is mediocre. 

He never cuts onto his right. As a defender, this is like a dream come true. Just stay back, don't give him space to cut, he'll just drive forward to cross and stopping a cross from someone who doesn't have a variety to their cross is easy

Yeah its weird, I get not wanting to be predictable but sometimes you need to just come inside rather than always going down the wing to cross.

It really is odd. I wonder why he loves playing on the left side so much. He never cuts in anyways. His shooting opportunities barely come from him cutting in on his right foot. And it would be easier for him to go past the defender on the outside and deliver a good ball into the box on his stronger foot.

His first touch is so bad his second touch is almost always a tackle...

After watching him half a season, I truly am confused as to what position he plays really.

Is he a winger? He cant dribble, can't cut in, can't take players one v one. CHO and Pulisic are better winger options.

Is he a striker? He can't shoot, can't trap the ball, can't hold the ball and combine. Giroud and Tammy would be better CF options.

I truly don't understand why he seems to be undroppable. 

I must admit, I do like his speed and his work rate on pressing and defending up front.

 

1 hour ago, haviet1 said:

After watching him half a season, I truly am confused as to what position he plays really.

Is he a winger? He cant dribble, can't cut in, can't take players one v one. CHO and Pulisic are better winger options.

Is he a striker? He can't shoot, can't trap the ball, can't hold the ball and combine. Giroud and Tammy would be better CF options.

I truly don't understand why he seems to be undroppable. 

I must admit, I do like his speed and his work rate on pressing and defending up front.

 

He's a SS, LF/CF. Honestly I'd say give him til the end of next season before you judge him. The guy doesn't get enough service. Serious question how many goals do people think Salah, Sterling or Mane would get with this kind of creativity in the team?

I think they would struggle too, not to say he's at their level in the prem but it can't be helping him when he doesn't get enough 1v1s and I don't mean half cut chances I mean break aways.

It's a bit insane that he after scoring so many goals last season can't do much right now when it comes to scoring.

To think that in the PL with all the penalties he has won that he has more assists than goals is just mindblowing, he is a poacher by all means just look at his first touch it's very often way not even close to be good enough...

Cavani has scored more goals than him while spending half the time on the pitch, the one positive I could find is that Timo has 1 goal more than G.Jesus and Martial but cmon he was supposed to be a 20 goal scorer in the league. I don't know why is it so hard for our new players, other teams somehow manage to settle down their new signings pretty fast, we on the other hand have been having huge problems.

Since D.Costa we haven't signed a striker that is capable of leading the line - That's almost 5 years. We can whine about how other teams spend money and bypass the rules but our own decisions haven't been so fruitful for us...

He is clearly someone who prefers running onto the ball rather then receiving the ball with his back to goal unfortunately for him in the PL he will not get the space in behind to run onto the ball especially playing for us. His teammates are not helping him either with the slow buildup and either ignoring his runs or playing poor passes in behind, he would've loved playing with someone like Fabregas. 

Edited February 20, 20215 yr by Imran_CFC

He has to do better in those 1 on 1 moments, and instead of going by-line and whip in with his weaker foot by default, how about try to cut in and right sometime? He's been molded into a left winger, not the striker who likes to shift to the left.

12 hours ago, PloKoon13 said:

God, he really does fit into our recent form of fielding weirdly flawed players, doesn't he?

 

Alonso - the wing-back who can't run - can't defend in any meaningful way, but is the best finisher in the team;

Jorginho - the static holding midfielder with no presence off the ball, but who also provides zero incision in possession;

Kovačić - three seasons in and it's still not particularly clear what it is he does - great when he does do 'it', a total liability when he doesn't;

Barkley - the wonderful natural talent, oddly adaptable for an Englishman, great instincts - a disaster when he's ever allowed to think;

Willian - the attacking midfielder who will never contribute to a goal - practically flawless in every other aspect of his play, fundamental to the function of the team somehow;

Werner - the forward with great urgency and great work rate who can't kick a ball.

 

Playing flawed functional player is normal. Willian, Barkley are functional player. Pretty much everyone does that but with werner, the system is built for him and he did not produce enough goods to be the star 

I just can't warm to him at all, he's a pitiful footballer, and it doesn't help when he finishes like Morata. 

Costa was also a terrible footballer and would ruin a lot of build up play and counter attacks, but he made up for it when it came to finishing his chances, I would give anything for him or Drogba back at the moment. It's not a coincidence we only won titles when those two strikers where in form and leading the line. 

Is this all he offers then? A lot of pace and movement? You can get Championship players with those qualities and they go for a lot cheaper. I think we've been absolutely done here. 

10 hours ago, Gol15 said:

We can whine about how other teams spend money and bypass the rules but our own decisions haven't been so fruitful for us...

When you add up the amount of money we've spent on players that have been sub standard, we have almost wasted as much money as Barcelona did on Coutinho, Dembele amd Griezmann !

Quite telling how much of what we have spent is sat on the bench, not selected, or out on loan ...

5 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

When you add up the amount of money we've spent on players that have been sub standard, we have almost wasted as much money as Barcelona did on Coutinho, Dembele amd Griezmann !

Quite telling how much of what we have spent is sat on the bench, not selected, or out on loan ...

This transfer window has potential to top Conte's disasterous window when he signed Morata, Bakayoko, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, Emerson etc. 

It's only Silva and Mendy who've shown their worth so far, some could say Chilwell, but a few month of good form doesn't justify a 50 million price tag. The other three seriously need to buck their ideas up. 

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

I just can't warm to him at all, he's a pitiful footballer, and it doesn't help when he finishes like Morata. 

Costa was also a terrible footballer and would ruin a lot of build up play and counter attacks, but he made up for it when it came to finishing his chances, I would give anything for him or Drogba back at the moment. It's not a coincidence we only won titles when those two strikers where in form and leading the line. 

Is this all he offers then? A lot of pace and movement? You can get Championship players with those qualities and they go for a lot cheaper. I think we've been absolutely done here. 

Yes it's not looking good so far. The lack of touch and control is particularly worrying. Shame, seems a really likeable guy.

I hadn't seen loads of him prior to his arrival. But based on the clips I'd seen and what I had read, I was hoping we were getting the modern day version of Gerd Mueller. Obviously not.

53 minutes ago, just said:

Yes it's not looking good so far. The lack of touch and control is particularly worrying. Shame, seems a really likeable guy.

I hadn't seen loads of him prior to his arrival. But based on the clips I'd seen and what I had read, I was hoping we were getting the modern day version of Gerd Mueller. Obviously not.

Same here, I had no idea what he was about, just heard lots of hype. Statistically he was one of the best strikers in Europe, now that he's here I'm hearing different things from avid Bundesliga watchers. This is apparently what you get, he's known to miss a lot of chances, but he's good when he can run onto the ball. 

No idea why we've signed him then, we've never played that way, even under Lampard he liked possession attacking football, controlling the game. If Werner can't play as our main striker, what's the point in this? I see no future for him really, I prefer Pulisic/CHO on the wings than Werner, 1 goal in 15 goals is not good enough, and some of the missed chances this season have been an absolute joke. 

14 hours ago, Imran_CFC said:

He is clearly someone who prefers running onto the ball rather then receiving the ball with his back to goal unfortunately for him in the PL he will not get the space in behind to run onto the ball especially playing for us. His teammates are not helping him either with the slow buildup and either ignoring his runs or playing poor passes in behind, he would've loved playing with someone like Fabregas. 

So was Henry - but that team were set up to service him and play to his strengths.

 So was torres - but that Liverpool team were set up to service him and play to his strengths.

So was Vardy - that the Leicester team are set up to service him and play to his strengths.

So was Anelka etc etc...

now - I am not saying that Werner is or can be as good as any of them i mentioned, just the fact that with the right set up, a player of his style can be successful in the epl.

 

Edited February 21, 20215 yr by nonotnowjim

Timo unlucky again last night, we know his best position now.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm starting to grow optimistic he's going to fire soon.

Just needs a little bit of luck on the goal scoring front which will be invaluable for the team, and I reckon he could get on a run and finish the season on a high.

The guy could of had a hattrick yesterday, the amount of chances he had, but I left the game saying he had a very good performance. He ran that Liverpool backline ragged, and one thing that is so impressive about him, he never puts his head down, he never gives up, he misses one chance, he's right back missing the next lol. That goal he did score though, it was a travesty they chalked, poor lad deserved that after the way he played yesterday.

I've been saying for a long time we shouldn't be worried about him. If this is him in bad form I'm honestly excited to see what he looks like when he has one of his famous hot streaks.

Alongside Mount he is one of the players that has played the most games for us this season and for good reason under two different managers. Tuchel has already proven that the price tag means nothing you get into this starting 11 on merit alone.

Werner is our most productive player this season he leads the team in assists and has a combined goals and assists of 19 in 36 games. That's more than some of our rival players yet people would still have you believe (rival fans alongside some chelsea fans) that the guy isn't a good player.

When did football get to the point where a guy getting a goal/assist within every 2 games in his debut season is seen as an average or bad player/flop?

A Happy Birthday to Tino, who is  25 years old today!

21 hours ago, coco said:

Timo unlucky again last night, we know his best position now.

CF vs highline

On the benc vs the rest

Apparently there is a tweet doing the rounds ... "If Timo Werner shot Tupac, he'd be 49 today ... " 🙂