2 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

Mount is not a snake, nor a legend either. He is a player who was assesed by the higher ups who did not consider he is worth the big money contract. And my personal view is that they made the right choice. He is no way a 55M, 250k a week player.

The club did some mistakes last summer by buying and offering big contracts to players who were not worth that kind of money. We can't expect this to happen again and again because the owners might not know football from A to Z, but they are not fools either. They are successful businessman who can easily steady ships after a few mistakes and IMHO this is exactly what is happening at the moment - sell the deadwood, massively reduce the wage bill and asses the squad and offer the right contracts.

Mount might have been the fans' favourite, but from a footballing perspective the club did the right choice.

I like Mount as a player. He has his good sides, very good sides actually but based on past two seasons I'd say he wasn't in a strong negotiating position. 

You're only as good as your last game, until you become a legend and he hadn't attained that status yet in my opinion. I liked that he was one of the few in the team that when I saw shooting from distance I was certain would hit target or come close and that was great because we didn't have them anymore like we used to á lá Ballack, Essien, Lamps, Alex, RDM, Drogs, Hassle to name a few. 

He also is great at hold up play, ball to feet, dribbling and taking players on, with a good eye for a pass so I do appreciate his positives. 

Players should be allowed to move when they want to and if no longer having the passion to play for you they will be underwhelming and that could also be why he hasn't been to great past couple of seasons. If he feels short changed contractually then he will not have the fire in him and better to get rid than hang on to. Also financially it is a move that has made sense for him as well as the club so won't cry about it. 

The new owners have a different vision for the club than we have had and the jury is still out if it's the right one. At the moment though it is obvious they are bent on gutting the club and restarting so the affiliations and connections we have as fans mean nothing to them and I'd argue if they have gutted the club on the inside already (management, supporting staff behind the scenes) already, it makes sense they will do it on the outside as well (the actual team) as then there is no "bad blood" left for their new people brought in to deal with. Clean slate if you like. 

I've never felt so disconnected to the team but the good thing is in this day and age where football is a product and doesn't even try to pretend it's anything else, it is a bit easier to deal with looking at it from that perspective and also makes the memories built from days of yore even better. 

 

 

Gutted to see him go. Latest in a long line of sales we’ll live to regret.

1 hour ago, Frawdulant said:

Gutted to see him go. Latest in a long line of sales we’ll live to regret.

Who are in this long line? Out of curiosity.

Probably Kova, Kante, Kai and Ruben for starters? Arguably 2 of our best players in that little lot. We can only judge that over the next few seasons!

6 minutes ago, Mod said:

Probably Kova, Kante, Kai and Ruben for starters? Arguably 2 of our best players in that little lot. We can only judge that over the next few seasons!

Kante and Kova wanted to leave. Kai may or may not be good at Arsenal but has been upgraded on and Ruben is not suddenly going to develop the fundamentals he's been lacking his whole career at 27.

But still, maybe 2 of just those 4 sales we could regret! I know for a fact Kante will be missed, he is something else on the pitch!

Its very hard to judge even people like Kai because the whole team was affected since the takeover. Maybe Kai under Pochettino would be how he was much earlier on! Maybe we can judge that at Arsenal next season to determine if that was a regret.

14 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Right? Thar @Munkworthis a handsome fella.

Spitting image of George Clooney 

18 hours ago, Term_X said:

John Terry has just liked this tweet 👀

And John was a United fan as a youngster, so good on him.

He's the only player who would talk to us when they used to stroll along the riverside from Chelsea harbour past the pub 

If we tempt that Brighton player with money to leave Brighton will we be buying a snake ?

3 hours ago, Mod said:

But still, maybe 2 of just those 4 sales we could regret! I know for a fact Kante will be missed, he is something else on the pitch!

Its very hard to judge even people like Kai because the whole team was affected since the takeover. Maybe Kai under Pochettino would be how he was much earlier on! Maybe we can judge that at Arsenal next season to determine if that was a regret.

The Kante we know has been missing for at least 2 years now, so letting him go doesn't make any difference at this point. Kante is still quality, but what is the point keeping him on if we only see it 3 times a season? We have been hamstrung by Kante's injuries for a long time now, we have to move on. 

10 hours ago, abister1 said:

He also is great at hold up play, ball to feet, dribbling and taking players on, with a good eye for a pass so I do appreciate his positives. 

Those are great positives to appreciate....what about Mason Mount's though?

On 30/06/2023 at 21:18, abister1 said:

It does have a very nice ring to it and that's your rich opinion, RIP Mourinho the adult. 😂

 

10/10 way to avoid the rest of the message because you know I’m right 

12 hours ago, abister1 said:

 I liked that he was one of the few in the team that when I saw shooting from distance I was certain would hit target or come close and that was great because we didn't have them anymore like we used to á lá Ballack, Essien, Lamps, Alex, RDM, Drogs, Hassle to name a few.

Probably worthwhile saying that long-distance shooting is actively discouraged by modern coaches. Current balls are way more stable than the T90s and Jabulanis of yesteryear and so shooting from range is seen as wasteful - unless the GK has an identified weakness...

12 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

unless the GK has an identified weakness...

So don’t shoot from a distance unless the keeper has ‘Kepa 1’ on the back of their shirt?

On 30/06/2023 at 22:29, Term_X said:

John Terry has just liked this tweet 👀

And yet our fans make excuses for Mason freaking Mount a player who is easily replaceable. 

I wish Mount and his family all the best

And I hope he can replicate his form of last season for every game he plays 

15 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Probably worthwhile saying that long-distance shooting is actively discouraged by modern coaches. Current balls are way more stable than the T90s and Jabulanis of yesteryear and so shooting from range is seen as wasteful - unless the GK has an identified weakness...

Genuinely didn't know that however I don't know why nor agree with why they decide to restrict particular attributes of certain players and deny fans the joy of seeing long distance thumpers every now and then. 

Those types the goalie just dives to avoid being accused of not trying, even though he and everyone else know nothing he can do about stopping that one ha

16 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

10/10 way to avoid the rest of the message because you know I’m right 

I never said you were wrong at any time. It's not a fight between me and you or indeed anyone else. 

You said something I opined on and asked a question in response too, perhaps a tad rhetorical. Not responding to your whole views or anything and don't go trawl through historical messages, I just pick up from where I meet the thread at. 

I responded to that because it seemed nonsensical that you call me an Arsenal fan and childish for saying money mase. Well I was probably having a bit too much fun with symbol illustratio  that but if it makes you feel any better, the point and main take away is that if Mason Mount moves for money it is not a bad thing. Let's be real here....

Enzo moved for money, Mudryk moved for money, Stirling moved for money, Fofana moved for money or is that not one of the main reasons why every player will move clubs along with developing their career and chasing success? There are the odd ones that won't consider such things as important and thereby attain legend status. 

Is this for Soccer aid charity or are we talking of professional sports? 

 

On 01/07/2023 at 22:32, SydneyChelsea said:

Probably worthwhile saying that long-distance shooting is actively discouraged by modern coaches. Current balls are way more stable than the T90s and Jabulanis of yesteryear and so shooting from range is seen as wasteful - unless the GK has an identified weakness...

Not against Kepa it isn't. 

On 01/07/2023 at 19:30, Frawdulant said:

Gutted to see him go. Latest in a long line of sales we’ll live to regret.

dont you just love a soothsayer?

The player and a  few members of his entourage were spotted arriving at the facility

 

22 hours ago, abister1 said:

Genuinely didn't know that however I don't know why nor agree with why they decide to restrict particular attributes of certain players and deny fans the joy of seeing long distance thumpers every now and then. 

Those types the goalie just dives to avoid being accused of not trying, even though he and everyone else know nothing he can do about stopping that one ha

Because this days a lot of manager want to minimize risk and inconsistency. 

 

23 hours ago, abister1 said:

Genuinely didn't know that however I don't know why nor agree with why they decide to restrict particular attributes of certain players and deny fans the joy of seeing long distance thumpers every now and then. 

Those types the goalie just dives to avoid being accused of not trying, even though he and everyone else know nothing he can do about stopping that one ha

Because the risk:reward strategy isn't great even for players with a good ish success rate.

Gerrard for example was one with a reputation for scoring bangers but in that 2014 slip game he kept shooting and shooting in that second half and all it was serving to do was to relieve any pressure on us.

23 hours ago, abister1 said:

Genuinely didn't know that however I don't know why nor agree with why they decide to restrict particular attributes of certain players and deny fans the joy of seeing long distance thumpers every now and then. 

Those types the goalie just dives to avoid being accused of not trying, even though he and everyone else know nothing he can do about stopping that one ha

Nowadays there is so much statistical analysis and probability ratios that most elements of individuality are frowned upon. The game has developed into one of overloads and set pieces.

Edited July 3, 20233 yr by WhiteWall

On 01/07/2023 at 22:32, SydneyChelsea said:

Probably worthwhile saying that long-distance shooting is actively discouraged by modern coaches. Current balls are way more stable than the T90s and Jabulanis of yesteryear and so shooting from range is seen as wasteful - unless the GK has an identified weakness...

Which makes me wonder why they put up nets in front of the MHL behind the practice goal for players to bang in shots from distance .

And i see screamers every week on MOTD,  best sight in football I reckon